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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
So sneak past the bestmen in their own terrain, putting all our lives in serious danger because of the supply situation because the poor wee dwarfs need to to tap on their door in person, after our expedition leader abandoned us with some cryptic remarks mind. My well of sympathy is rather shallow at this point.
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If we could use magic it would be trivial. The issue is, well, we can't. Not without first confirming. Which means either watching an attack where magic is used and the person doesn't explode into a chaos spawn, or talking with at least one of the tribes to check if "The mighty powers we have heard Dum once possessed" are still on display.
 
Heck, if the theory about their rune of valaya not working properly is true, then the first thing they would do is fill in the Windows, it isn't surprising that they don't have people with a window to the surface this far north even if their rune is working fine.
 
Byzantine said:
If we could use magic it would be trivial. The issue is, well, we can't. Not without first confirming. Which means either watching an attack where magic is used and the person doesn't explode into a chaos spawn, or talking with at least one of the tribes to check if "The mighty powers we have heard Dum once possessed" are still on display.
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As a note even if the shamans think it's sensible to use magic that doesn't mean we should. They have a rather different risk assessment given that they serve Chaos
 
DragonParadox said:
As a note even if the shamans think it's sensible to use magic that doesn't mean we should. They have a rather different risk assessment given that they serve Chaos
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I dunno. One thing I am willing to bet on is that they still count 'mutating into chaos spawn' as a bad end.
 
wrecksalot said:
Heck, if the theory about their rune of valaya not working properly is true, then the first thing they would do is fill in the Windows, it isn't surprising that they don't have people with a window to the surface this far north even if their rune is working fine.
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Though whatever is going on seems to mean that though the karak is technically in the chaos wastes the land immediately around it... is not the chaos wastes. It is still soaked in the winds, though, just not dhar. Which would still be a problem to the dwarves, eventually. Still Borek's arrival should have triggered some checks, if only to be sure we left.

DragonParadox said:
As a note even if the shamans think it's sensible to use magic that doesn't mean we should. They have a rather different risk assessment given that they serve Chaos
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No servant of chaos wants to become chaos spawn. Chaos spawn are a result of the process gone wrong. They want the power of being a champion of chaos without being turned into a mindless, suffering abomination.
 
wrecksalot said:
Heck, if the theory about their rune of valaya not working properly is true, then the first thing they would do is fill in the Windows, it isn't surprising that they don't have people with a window to the surface this far north even if their rune is working fine.
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And over the past two hours they haven't had time to debrief Borek and send someone to the surface to look at what we are going? So we have gone from assuming teenager like angst to child-like incompetence. Not sure if I would call this progress.
 
I doubt that sneaking past the beastmen even if Morghur is not affecting casting would be so easy.
Do you honestly think that the dwarfs that have been fighting against chaos for thousands of years never had to face chaos sorcerer that can use ulgu ?
If their last resort is something that can be rendered useless so easily, it would definitely not last so long.
 
DragonParadox said:
And over the past two hours they haven't had time to debrief Borek and send someone to the surface to look at what we are going? So we have gone from assuming teenager like angst to child-like incompetence. Not sure if I would call this progress.
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If they are anything like Vlag they may just be being very paranoid. It probably isn't the first time infiltrators have tried playing Borek, or someone else they sent out of aid. Though it may be the first time one actually got the door.
 
Byzantine said:
Though whatever is going on seems to mean that though the karak is technically in the chaos wastes the land immediately around it... is not the chaos wastes. It is still soaked in the winds, though, just not dhar. Which would still be a problem to the dwarves, eventually. Still Borek's arrival should have triggered some checks, if only to be sure we left.
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True, but having dedicated watchposts to stare into the Chaos Wastes for long periods of time still seems inadvisable.
DragonParadox said:
And over the past two hours they haven't had time to debrief Borek and send someone to the surface to look at what we are going? So we have gone from assuming teenager like angst to child-like incompetence. Not sure if I would call this progress.
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I'm assuming a Dawi like approach to quality control, which seems reasonable for a dwarf hold.
 
DragonParadox said:
And over the past two hours they haven't had time to debrief Borek and send someone to the surface to look at what we are going? So we have gone from assuming teenager like angst to child-like incompetence. Not sure if I would call this progress.
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Two hours isn't even long enough for me to assume they're convinced he's Borek. They're not going to rush into things.
 
DragonParadox said:
Sure but they are more willing to take the risk than sane people. Live fast die young is practically their motto.
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We wouldn't be asking if they would risk it. We would be seeing if they had seem him ever use the rumored powers.

To them we're a group here to challenge him from rather far away. Making sure that the rumors we have heard (aka what trickled all the way to us) are actually reasonably accurate is reasonable enough to not immediately arose suspicion. Particularly if we claim a time to challenge him. (By which point we should be long gone.)

wrecksalot said:
True, but having dedicated watchposts to stare into the Chaos Wastes for long periods of time still seems inadvisable.
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Agreed, if only for the cognitohazards that seem inevitable.
 
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Byzantine said:
If they are anything like Vlag they may just be being very paranoid. It probably isn't the first time infiltrators have tried playing Borek, or someone else they sent out of aid. Though it may be the first time one actually got the door.
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If they are anything like Vlag we should turn around now since we don't have months to wait in this hellhole. Also I suspect the dwarfs of Vlag would be rather insulted to be compared to the beastmen fraternizers. The Dum dwarfs are not barred from the surface thanks to their auxiliaries after all.
 
We don't have to approach the mountain, there are still the tribes we can get answers from now that we know how to shape our approach.
 
Wasn't Mathilde actively channeling/casting a spell within visual distance of Cor-Dum when she arrived?

If Morghur's power is based on kicking the Winds into a frenzy (as per the description of his staff, may I remind everyone), wouldn't our Windsight be able to tell?

Even if Morghur's power is active, does it always Spawn people? Or does it just pose a risk of that outcome.
The danger isn't a binary Yes/No, here. There's layers.
 
DragonParadox said:
If they are anything like Vlag we should turn around now since we don't have months to wait in this hellhole. Also I suspect the dwarfs of Vlag would be rather insulted to be compared to the beastmen fraternizers. The Dum dwarfs are not barred from the surface thanks to their auxiliaries after all.
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They may be barred from the surface for more practical concerns. That much Wind can't be good for a dwarf over extended periods. Still, we don't know what is going on with the beastmen. And yes, they would be insulted. Dwarves are touchy.

My own suspicion now is the beastmen, including somehow Morghur, have been co-opted by an Order God of some kind, who the dwarves are worshipping. They are feeding said god the majority of the power from their waystone, in exchange it is slowly pushing back the chaos wastes. In and of itself this isn't enough for them to believe themselves unredeemable, so there is likely something about the particular god, or the method it is being fed power, that other dwarves would find unacceptable.
 
Luxon said:
Have seen some people suggesting we can leave and come back later, because it seems stable enough.
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For what it's worth, I don't plan to come back and I don't think anyone voting to leave is either.
Luxon said:
The shame isn't important in how the rest of the Karaz Ankor will take it.
It's a ticking time bomb because of how Dum will.
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You are misunderstanding something. Borek decided that they were dammed on his own and walked off. In our case case, Thorgrim decided we were dammed for us.
 
Sovereign Hunt said:
Wasn't Mathilde actively channeling/casting a spell within visual distance of Cor-Dum when she arrived?

If Morghur's power is based on kicking the Winds into a frenzy (as per the description of his staff, may I remind everyone), wouldn't our Windsight be able to tell?

Even if Morghur's power is active, does it always Spawn people? Or does it just pose a risk of that outcome.
The danger isn't a binary Yes/No, here. There's layers.
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Yes, she was. She immediately shut it off, but she was likely within his range for several minutes before doing so.

Normally, yes, but the winds are so dense here, and this is the chaos wastes, which make checking things like that very difficult. We would have to basically be on top of him.

It spawns Wizards that lose control of their magic, while also making it harder to actually control said magic.

I'm of the opinion that if we are to start using magic we should start with the very most basic spells, and see if they are any harder to control than expected, then slowly and carefully work our way up before actually trying anything. And this is after we get some kind of confirmation that he doesn't have the normal effect.
 
DragonParadox said:
We sent semaphore messages. What are we supposed to do airdrop chocolates and antidepressants? They aren't talking and they are locked inside a mountain behind and army of beastmen.
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In a couple of hours? I've known organisations that take longer then that to even find their translation guide.
Nevermind the attempt to find the flags of their own that have been kept in storage for two hundred years since they last spoke to someone.

At the distances we're talking about it takes two hours to walk from the mountain over to reach us. That is if they set out immediately.
Debriefing Borek in full in a safe place, and then coming back with that information is way longer then two hours.
 
flotter said:
For what it's worth, I don't plan to come back and I don't think anyone voting to leave is either.

You are misunderstanding something. Borek decided that they were dammed on his own and walked off. In our case case, Thorgrim decided we were dammed for us.
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Borek literally asked for forgiveness, why would he do that if he knew they did something unforgivable?
 
[X] Leave
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
 
Luxon said:
In a couple of hours? I've known organisations that take longer then that to even find their translation guide.
Nevermind the attempt to find the flags of their own that have been kept in storage for two hundred years since they last spoke to someone.

At the distances we're talking about it takes two hours to walk from the mountain over to reach us. That is if they set out immediately.
Debriefing Borek in full in a safe place, and then coming back with that information is way longer then two hours.
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Semaphores exist, smoke signals exist and the way Borek left us would natural incline us to turn around at once. Common sense indicates they should give a sign as soon as posibile, but fine the winning vote so far is so wait, or are you saying it will take them more than a day to do their debriefing?
 
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