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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
My take is "this is the real Morghur, they either captured and bound him for defense or he was reborn as a dwarf and they bound him that way, we need to leave," and I have voted for the options that seem most in line with that rather than add my own write-ins to this mess.
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There is also the Theory Omegahugger, which also favours the belief that Morghul was reborn as a dwarf. And no, I didn't name it...
(though technically he isn't strictly bound in that one, just not insane and better socialised, not sure if that's a vital difference)
 
Sparsebeard said:
If it's a fake Morghur, where is the real one that has been missing for about as long as Karag Dum?

Much more likely Morghur has revived here and has been here since he was last seen hunted down by wood elves 200 years ago.
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Do your part, vote [ ] THEORY: Omegahugger



Omegahugger said:
(though technically he isn't strictly bound in that one, just not insane and better socialised, not sure if that's a vital difference)
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At this early a juncture it's all conjecture anyway. I don't think it matters too much.
 
Andres110 said:
Can you gimme a link to the post where Boney said reality's screaming around Morghur? The only post I've seen regarding that is the update, and that read to me more like what Mathilde has heard of Morghur reputation-wise than what she was actually seeing.
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Pickle already did. It is notably a different effect that the only other Runelord whom we had described in magesight had, but it could possibly be one.
 
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Argh. I really wish Mathilde had been willing to grab Borek and shake some answers out of him before letting him walk away completely. I was mentally shouting for her to grab him from the moment he let down the ladder. :sad:
 
picklepikkl said:
My take is "this is the real Morghur, they either captured and bound him for defense or he was reborn as a dwarf and they bound him that way, we need to leave," and I have voted for the options that seem most in line with that rather than add my own write-ins to this mess.
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It cannot be the real Morghur, unless he can be in 2 places at once (not impossible, but...)

I mean, even if we assume they cleansed him of corruption, Dum fell before the end of the chaos wars, and Morghur was seen after them, and Borek knew whatever this guard was, so it cannot be the real Morghur.
 
pucflek said:
Pickle already did. It is notably a different effect that the only other Runelord whom we had described in magesight had, but it could possibly be one.
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Ok can you give me the link where Pickle grabbed the link to the post?

EDIT: Nevermind, found it. This thread is getting difficult to keep up with because of all the new posts coming quickly.
 
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HungryHamadryad said:
Sure, the hold is full of Dwarves who are binding Beastmen and engaging in radical Runesmith experiments to survive, but haven't turned to Chaos.
The world isn't black and white, and I have no particular care if they've engaged in some manner of Runesmith heresy as long as they aren't aligned with Chaos; we've read the Liber Mortis for goodness' sake.
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If they grabbed Cor-Dum, and given the boneyard surrounding, they don't need any help, so they still don't need saving.

And also, enslaving chaos creatures always ends up with falling to chaos. There is no way this ends well.
 
[X] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.
[X] ACTION: Call out to Dun for a parley.
[X] ACTION: The forces should move back at least a half-days distance, find a defensible spot, and camp out for a few days to give them a chance to investigate, but no more than two-three days, the overall safety of the expedition still comes first.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information.
 
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picklepikkl said:
My take is "this is the real Morghur, they either captured and bound him for defense or he was reborn as a dwarf and they bound him that way, we need to leave," and I have voted for the options that seem most in line with that rather than add my own write-ins to this mess.
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That's a nice vote you have there. Yoink.
[] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.
[X] ACTION: Turn back
[] THEORY: Karag Dum may have found a way to create and control beastmen.
[X] THEORY: Karag Dum is fallen, and has made a pact with Morghur.
[X] THEORY: Karag Dum has somehow tricked or compelled Morghur to fight the Kurgan tribes.

Edit: removed the option that gives hints towards waystones.
I don't want to spread that knowledge.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Reality is flinching from this being, that is a sign of corruption, we just aren't seeing it to standard Morghur levels
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It could be a sign of corruption. It could also be a sign this a runelord in disguise.

It could even be something really wacky like it's a powerful Athel Loren aligned being in disguise and Dum is now a vassal to Athel Loren. That would certainly be pretty shameful.
 
Andres110 said:
Ok can you give me the link where Pickle grabbed the link to the post?
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If you don't trust Mathilde to accurately describe Magical phenomena and ignore two people including QM linking you proof, then i have no business really doing anything more. The burden of proof is not on me, it is on you.
 
BoneyM said:
"I am a Shaman of the Yusak Tribes. I serve the White of the Two."
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Was this the result of a roll or did you decide to humor and entice those of us players who like me wanted to know more about Sun and Moon Shamans?
BoneyM said:
He had something of a listless, distracted air to him, which could be indicative of hard times for the Yusak, but you don't know nearly enough about Kurgan moon-worship to say if that's out of character for a Shaman devoted to Mannsleib.
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Moar! I want to know moar!
BoneyM said:
it stands alone, jutting out from a great crater that you find yourself on the lip of. Directly below you is bone-white sand, interrupted regularly by actual bones that grow thicker on the ground the closer it is to Karag Dum. And with shocking abruptness the desert gives way to disturbingly familiar forest that now rings the base of Karag Dum, burying the bottom third of it in apparently primeval forest that by all accounts was not there a mere two centuries ago. And as you stare and as the Alriksson continues trundling forward, you see a figure at the edge of the forest, standing taller than a man and taller still when you consider the skull-adorned frill that juts from its skull.

In a flash of realization, you know why your question had confused the Yusak Shaman. When he spoke of Dum, he did not mean the Dwarfhold of Karag Dum.

He meant Cor-Dum.

As you watch reality flinch away from him, Morghur the Shadowgave, immortal demigod of the Beastmen, bellows a warbling prayer to the mountain that has become his Herdstone, and from the trees countless more voices join him.
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Wahw. That sight is the kind of sublime glory and horror that explains random on the spot conversions to Chaos. Well done.
BoneyM said:
"Ah. You seek to test yourself against the Dum?" he asks.
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Interesting that the Yusak White Marble Shaman calls it by its Dwarven callname. On the one hand he was speaking Khazalid, but on the other it's the closest important sacred site of his culture.
 
Andres110 said:
Ok can you give me the link where Pickle grabbed the link to the post?

EDIT: Nevermind, found it. This thread is getting difficult to keep up with because of all the new posts coming quickly.
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Boney also replied to you directly with the quote from the update.
LightLan said:
That's a nice vote you have there. Yoink.
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Be advised that I edited it to add [ ] THEORY: Omegahugger, which I gather gets at the same set of ideas.
 
pucflek said:
If you don't trust Mathilde to accurately describe Magical phenomena and ignore two people including QM linking you proof, then i have no business really doing anything more. The burden of proof is not on me, it is on you.
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I edited my post. I'm not ignoring any posts, I'm just missing them because this thread is generating multiple posts for every one I make and it's making it difficult to see the posts people make and the replies I get.
 
@BoneyM: What happened to Borek's bag of money, btw? Does he still have it, or did he leave it on board? I'm kinda worried about buying more cattle on the way back.
 
Abhorsen said:
If they grabbed Cor-Dum, and given the boneyard surrounding, they don't need any help, so they still don't need saving.
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Not to be rude, but this reads like Sophism given how little we know about the situation. Everything is conjecture right now, and I'm set on getting some answers before we call it quits. You have to jump through a whole lot of assumption-hoops to reach 'there's no one who needs help or saving here' when we just pulled up to the front door.
 
HungryHamadryad said:
Do your part, vote [ ] THEORY: Omegahugger
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Will do, however the name of the theory makes it impossible to even know what it's about.

[x] THEORY: Omegahugger
[x] [ACTION]: Turn back.
[x] THEORY: Gor Dum is either a mutated dwarf or controlled by a dwarf, look at how he reacted to Borek.
[x] ACTION: First, before any council shout at Borek that he owes us some anwsers before he leaves and that we are ready to hear him despite whatever is happening here. If it doesn't work. Send a volunteer to try and enter the forest as Borek did : 1. If the volunter is attacked or mutates turn back. 2. If the volunter is denied access but doesn't mutate or get attacked, try to ask an audience somehow : ask to the beastmen, scream to the forest, creative solutions. If no anwser, turn back. 3. If the volunter is let though unharmed, have him come back do go investigate ourselves.
[x] Theory: The Dwarfs have control over Cor-Dum and is likely being controlled by Karak Dum's King or Leader, They are doing this to protect the Waystone and keep the Karak Ankor safe, there is an ongoing siege to take control of the waystone with a nearby source providing power to the desert to weaken the defenders.
 
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