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Problem with Naggaroth is that Mathilde's sanity and life may well not be enough for that place.

They are a magical superpower that even a LM necromancer wouldn't be able to beat, they probably know the second secret of Dhar, and they can be just as competent and efficient as the chaos Dawi when they want to (ie not right away like the chaos Dawi, but if they survive the alpha strike, which they'll probably will).

They are a real hard target. Even Necrothilde can't take them... at least, not unless she levels up quite a bit more than current Mathilde plus necromancy.
A nice rule of thumb is that a Necromancer with the Liber Mortis is a threat that takes the entirety of the Empire to reliably put down.

Now, could the Empire, with all its might and grandeur, take on Naggarond? The answer is no, no it cannot. And unlike when I usually make that sort of statement, it is not meant as a diss against the Imperials.
 
A nice rule of thumb is that a Necromancer with the Liber Mortis is a threat that takes the entirety of the Empire to reliably put down.

Now, could the Empire, with all its might and grandeur, take on Naggarond? The answer is no, no it cannot. And unlike when I usually make that sort of statement, it is not meant as a diss against the Imperials.
That's why you mass embrace vampires. They literally all hero tier fighters and casters. I genuinely think that could work to take out nagarond.
 
That's why you mass embrace vampires. They literally all hero tier fighters and casters. I genuinely think that could work to take out nagarond.

Yeah, but they are hero tier because they are old and experienced and because vampires select for greatness. I seem to remember something in quest about young blood dragons that do not know better and who were chosen somewhat carelessly getting rolled with relative ease.

Sure, cheaper vampires will still be very much appreciably superhuman, but so are the Druuchi, and Mathilde's vampires will be quite the discount compared to normal vampires. At best, mass produced vampires will be much better at melee, a litle worse at magic and range, and that's the optimistic scenario.
 
Yeah, but they are hero tier because they are old and experienced and because vampires select for greatness. I seem to remember something in quest about young blood dragons that do not know better and who were chosen somewhat carelessly getting rolled with relative ease.

Sure, cheaper vampires will still be very much appreciably superhuman, but so are the Druuchi, and Mathilde's vampires will be quite the discount compared to normal vampires. At best, mass produced vampires will be much better at melee, a litle worse at magic and range, and that's the optimistic scenario.
Pretty sure even a newbie vampire is much faster and stronger than a elf. That elf from Felix and gotrek books(sob) was flashstepping like she was in a anime. While a mass embrace might be weaker I would still bet on a vampire over a scrub like dread spear or whatever.
While they would be worse at magic, there would be thousands of them and even the druchi will have a lot of trouble mustering that amount of magical counters. Like even if we just taught them that one healing spell, they could boast their power extensively. That is battle magic tho, anyone know some none battlemagic example of vampire spells. But the point remain. Thousands of casters would be a nightmare to fight, especially since they can spread out and wage a asymmetrical campaign against the elves hinterland.
 
I'd be more concerned if Mathilde got to that point and wasn't cackling with dark glee as the forces of Chaos were crushed beneath her boot heel. Being dour and serious at times like that t'wouldn't be natural.
I dunno, I think Dark Glee and "I will show them!" seems more like Max's jam. Mathilde isn't that kind of supervillain. She'd be smugly petting her white dog, and maybe making some puns. Like,
"It seems all that's left of the Fire Dwarfs... is Ashes" or
"You are just in time to see the Fire Dwarfs... get smoked" while doing something with her Mantel of Mist mark.
 
Really, if you think about it, 'megalomaniacal supervillain' is the only reasonable mindset to have when using your army of giant undead beasts to batter down the walls of Uzkulak, crushing the puny Fire Dwarves wherever they try to hide in their holes.

I'd be more concerned if Mathilde got to that point and wasn't cackling with dark glee as the forces of Chaos were crushed beneath her boot heel. Being dour and serious at times like that t'wouldn't be natural.

One of Ulgu's aspects is "Showman" and what's more showman than a stereotypical villain aesthetic?

Honestly, there must be so many shadowmages who just want to go full 'Maleficent' but are pigeonholed as 'Odin the Wanderer' instead.
 
I dunno, I think Dark Glee and "I will show them!" seems more like Max's jam. Mathilde isn't that kind of supervillain. She'd be smugly petting her white dog, and maybe making some puns. Like,
"It seems all that's left of the Fire Dwarfs... is Ashes" or
"You are just in time to see the Fire Dwarfs... get smoked" while doing something with her Mantel of Mist mark.
"What's happened to the Dawi Zharr... Is naught but mistery."

Because, you know, we turned them all to mist.
 
I find it hard to believe that they knew how to use souls to animate big stone statues that had nothing to do with those souls in life, but couldn't animate bodies that housed those souls for decades.

Magic, particularly the divine magic they were using, has all sorts of odd limitations and restrictions. Having the souls of heroes animate statues that were walking monuments in the image of their gods is thematically quite different to animating their own corpses. For example, the monuments are likely to be existing focuses for divine magic and worship, potentially divine relics in their own right, in a way that a corpse isn't.
 
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I dunno, I think Dark Glee and "I will show them!" seems more like Max's jam. Mathilde isn't that kind of supervillain. She'd be smugly petting her white dog, and maybe making some puns. Like,
"It seems all that's left of the Fire Dwarfs... is Ashes" or
"You are just in time to see the Fire Dwarfs... get smoked" while doing something with her Mantel of Mist mark.
"What's happened to the Dawi Zharr... Is naught but mistery."

Because, you know, we turned them all to mist.
Mathilde: "I visited Uzkulak once. I didn't approve of what they were doing, so Hashut them down."
 
There's a very very very finite number of people who have ever been any good at corralling mass numbers of vampires, and every single one by my reckoning is one of the founding vampires.

Nagash also did it, a sufficiently powerful necromancer could also do it. The trick is that however 'evolved' the vampires are they are still among the living dead and can be commanded as such with sufficient knowledge of Necromancy.
 
Nagash also did it, a sufficiently powerful necromancer could also do it. The trick is that however 'evolved' the vampires are they are still among the living dead and can be commanded as such with sufficient knowledge of Necromancy.
Nagash did it, but he wasn't actually very good at it. Von-Carstein-Before-He-Was-Von-Carstein immediately figured out that he could just be really bad at fighting, get himself killed, and Nagash would already have been overthrown by the time the ring that Nagash had given him had revived him.
 
To diverge from the Eternal Necromancy Debate for a moment:

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Van Horstmann's Speculum

Van Horstmann's Speculum is a magical mirror created by the Light Wizard and future Champion of Tzeentch Egrimm van Horstmann that allows the bearer to gain the martial skills of whoever is reflected in the mirror. The goal was to allow the bearer, a warrior of the Empire, to gain the ability to...

What in god's name did Hortsmann do to figure out a "swap statlines with your enemy" item? That sounds like a massive Tzeench effect, but the Empire still used it after he was revealed, so it can't be, like, sprouting eyes or whatever.
 
What in god's name did Hortsmann do to figure out a "swap statlines with your enemy" item? That sounds like a massive Tzeench effect, but the Empire still used it after he was revealed, so it can't be, like, sprouting eyes or whatever.
Maybe it has a scaled-up Sound spell on it that shouts out a cool attack name describing its effect, and the rest is placebo effect and Warp-belief-drives-reality shenanigans. :V
 
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Just trying to distract myself from real life here. So it looks like we are taking the moderate rite of way casting and trying diplomancy.
 
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