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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Phalfpipe said:
I love how there's a constant undercurrent of wanting to use/teach Necromancy. It's like Mathilde was mildly corrupted from fighting vampires and reading the necronomicon, but instead of hitting her directly it went meta and spread to the thread.
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It's a little hard to completely forget that you could potentially become the most powerful magic wielder in the entire world, raise nation-conquering armies, and even bring those you've lost back from the other side. Especially when your brain's, like, 10% Ulgu. She'd never do it; she's forbidden herself from taking even one AP step down that path. But a shadowmancer's mind is accustomed to what-ifs.
 
BurnNote said:
Well, his master did tell him he'd have to fight off arbitrary numbers of peasants if we goes far enough with gilding.
Dolgans are sort of ranchers, and that's a kind of peasant, and their numbers can certainly be arbitrary.
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Well, on the other hand, a body turned into eternal, shining Gold could be mistaken for a high tier blessing from Slaanesh. Might well give us Diplo boni if they think we have such an obviously Favored Champion riding at our side...

There is even some precedent for Chaos transforming bodies into metal, what with Taurox the Brass Bull.
 
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Derpmind said:
It's a little hard to completely forget that you could potentially become the most powerful magic wielder in the entire world, raise nation-conquering armies, and even bring those you've lost back from the other side. Especially when your brain's, like, 10% Ulgu. She'd never do it; she's forbidden herself from taking even one AP step down that path. But a shadowmancer's mind is accustomed to what-ifs.
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Also to thinking in terms of grey areas. "I must never touch Dhar" to a light mage is a clear-cut simple rule. Mathilde has grabbed dhar with her hands to ground a journeymanling's miscast, and she'd be willing to grab it again to use the second secret.
 
kingreaper said:
Also to thinking in terms of grey areas. "I must never touch Dhar" to a light mage is a clear-cut simple rule. Mathilde has grabbed dhar with her hands to ground a journeymanling's miscast, and she'd be willing to grab it again to use the second secret.
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Potentially, anyway; whether or not Mathilde is willing to use the Second Secret is down to the playerbase, and generally it seems to be regarded as a 'break glass in case of apocalypse' option.
 
kingreaper said:
Also to thinking in terms of grey areas. "I must never touch Dhar" to a light mage is a clear-cut simple rule. Mathilde has grabbed dhar with her hands to ground a journeymanling's miscast, and she'd be willing to grab it again to use the second secret.
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Mmm, that was more (self-)deniable, grabbing a Shyish miscast in the process of curdling, with a reasonable expectation of (momentary) Dhar resulting from mixing with our Ulgu. Not quite the same as straight-up reaching out and grabbing Dhar, at least in my reading of the event.
 
Ehhh, I'm fine with using the second secret as long as no one is around to see it.

Belt will burn the dhar off, and it should be a fairly minor amount.
 
NSMS said:
Potentially, anyway; whether or not Mathilde is willing to use the Second Secret is down to the playerbase, and generally it seems to be regarded as a 'break glass in case of apocalypse' option.
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True, but I feel like there's a general agreement on the "break glass in case of apocalypse" with a majority being willing to go for it even if it was only Sylvania+Stirland, or only K8P, that was going to be lost - so to the extent that the thread is her mind she's got a willingness to do it, just a question of how much would have to be at stake.
 
kingreaper said:
True, but I feel like there's a general agreement on the "break glass in case of apocalypse" with a majority being willing to go for it even if it was only Sylvania+Stirland, or only K8P, that was going to be lost - so to the extent that the thread is her mind she's got a willingness to do it, just a question of how much would have to be at stake.
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We won't really know until it comes to a vote. I hope it never does.
 
Rafin said:
Does weaponizing a miscast and using it to dispel an enemy mass illusion count as using Dhar? Because we definitely did that.
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Miscasts aren't Dhar, they're just magic getting out of control.

You can only have Dhar if multiple winds are involved.

Edit: Perhaps I should clarify- Mathilde has never used Dhar with intent. Even if there was Dhar in the miscast or something similar, that's just chucking it away, perils of wizardry. That's not the same thing as going into an action with the knowledge and intent that you will be using Dhar.
 
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Rafin said:
Does weaponizing a miscast and using it to dispel an enemy mass illusion count as using Dhar? Because we definitely did that.
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It definitely does not, otherwise our master would not have been so open about having done something similar.

A miscast is not the deliberate use of Dhar, it's your Wind raging out of control and doing nasty shit you didn't intend. There was nothing but Ulgu in our miscast; when we stomped Gretel's miscast, it formed Dhar because she uses Shyish and we seized the energies with Ulgu.
 
Plus, there's a difference between 'I've accidentally set off a nuclear explosion in my hand, I might as well do something useful with it as I get rid of it' and 'I'm going to deliberately create nuclear explosions to throw at people'.
 
NSMS said:
Plus, there's a difference between 'I've accidentally set off a nuclear explosion in my hand, I might as well do something useful with it as I get rid of it' and 'I'm going to deliberately create nuclear explosions to throw at people'.
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Even the second does not get you killed by the Grey Order, because Regimand did that, but it will have people looking at you like you are making a hobby of cooking grenades.

And plenty of bets how long you'll still have your hand or beard in Regimands case. :V

The Rule is don't touch Dhar.
 
If we do ever break said glass the only option at that point is to lean all in on it, and take out as many enemy factions as we can in a blaze of unholy glory.
 
LightLan said:
Even the second does not get you killed by the Grey Order, because Regimand did that,
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How deliberate his actions were during that duel seem rather open to question. Seems quite possible he was just sanitizing the story and the 'feint' was nothing of the sort, he just got lucky dealing with his miscast.

Really the story sounds very similar to how Mathilde might explain how she removed the illusion on the Slannesh Slayers.
 
Okay, Boneys comment about the Dolgan has me convinced we should contact them before they try to take a bite out of the demigryphs. Changing my vote from stealing the artifact now them. Still thinking faster traveltime and lesser chance of steamwagon getting stuck is our priority especially with our supply situation as is.
As said by Boney, bringing Johann isnt such a good idea. Dont look at shiny stats, the quest is largely driven by narrative, outside some roll the dice options during normal turns. Aside from being a literal pile of gold he is easily recognizable as an imperial Magister. Not something Id like to advertise.

Oh, and towards those that said that they wont vote for Rite of Way because that would be a boring update I have to say to things: a) please consider not voting because "hey, I think thats funny" and more "how to get this to work" or "what would Mathilde do" and b) Have some faith in Boney. I believe in him to deliver :D

[x] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[x] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
[x] Use Rite of Way nearly constantly
[x] Attempt to make contact with the Dolgan
 
[x] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[x] Ice Crone Ljiljana
[x] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[x] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
[x] Attempt to make contact with the Dolgan
[x] Attempt to steal the Chaos artefact with Ljiljana
 
[x] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[x] Ice Crone Ljiljana
[x] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[x] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
[x] Attempt to make contact with the Dolgan
 
[x] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[x] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
[x] Attempt to make contact with the Dolgan
[x] Attempt to make contact with the Yusak
 
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