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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Ericwinter said:
Would the created forest be similar to Athel Loren in that regard? I mean, they use the things to repair parts of Athel Loren, yeah, but I would have figured it starts out normal and just gets turned crazy by proximity.
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Is it just a TWW mechanic that the Wood Elves can teleport between the forests with a connection to Athel Loren? Because if not, I would argue that they become extensions of Athel Loren even with hundreds of miles of distance.
 
Siual said:
Come to think of it, funding expeditions to drive away gribblies and slash and burn away forest to settle there might be a very lucrative undertaking for the EIC, that's also massively beneficial for the empire at large. The bottleneck preventing people from actually packing up to carve out a barony is that it requires a huge amount of resources to meaningfully clear out even a middle-sized forest. The EIC is probably one of the few actors in the Empire that can reliably free up the capital for such ventures, and has the added advantage of not being a primary political actor.
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Can you further justify the "very lucrative" side? It sounds like a money pit to me. What are you going to produce, other than agricultural products that are also being produced by people who don't have to pay a surcharge for security from the gribblies?
 
Siual said:
Come to think of it, funding expeditions to drive away gribblies and slash and burn away forest to settle there might be a very lucrative undertaking for the EIC, that's also massively beneficial for the empire at large. The bottleneck preventing people from actually packing up to carve out a barony is that it requires a huge amount of resources to meaningfully clear out even a middle-sized forest. The EIC is probably one of the few actors in the Empire that can reliably free up the capital for such ventures, and has the added advantage of not being a primary political actor.
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This is my solution to the "No fossil fuels for trains" issue. Steam engines can run on wood just fine. It's not as efficient as coal, and maybe you don't get the temperatures to run some of the huge articulated late steam designs, but the Empire wouldn't be getting there any time soon anyway. As a secondary bonus, it clears forests away from the railbed, helping reduce the risk of raiders.

Please note, before the train conversation restarts, that this does not solve any of the other issues with trains, such as the Empire not having steam engine designs or possibly enough steel production for rails, or the dwarves being willing to make anything less than artisanal railroad ties, hand crafted by a master carpenter and lovingly emplaced with tender care.

wait what if we ask for TRAINS for our transcendent boon
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
Is it just a TWW mechanic that the Wood Elves can teleport between the forests with a connection to Athel Loren? Because if not, I would argue that they become extensions of Athel Loren even with hundreds of miles of distance.
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No, that's canon. That's through the Worldroots though, not new trees. Either they already can or they won't be able.
 
SCO said:
Myself i'm in the 'set up a Lustria expedition' camp.
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While that's an interesting prospect, I think we're ending up in the same situation as Borek here.
The Dwarves have everything to throw at the problem except bodies. It'd have to be an expedition with a small regiment of engineers for the ships, and some cash incentives, but no dwarves.
Gods it'd be interesting times though.
 
Asheram said:
While that's an interesting prospect, I think we're ending up in the same situation as Borek here.
The Dwarves have everything to throw at the problem except bodies. It'd have to be an expedition with a small regiment of engineers for the ships, and some cash incentives, but no dwarves.
Gods it'd be interesting times though.
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I agree. But ok, i'm going to say it, i want something more than that. I want the phoenix crown to trade for the cloak of beards to inter back by the cult of gazul or whatever is most appropriate, so that shitheads from several generations ago messes can't easily be manipulated to cause order factions to go to war in the near future again or refuse to collaborate in battlefields against chaos. Obviously the Elfs are in the wrong here, but i kind of wonder if they didn't have some demonic help and if examining the crown might be informative.

But that is more of a karaz ankor and ulthuan transcendent boon.
 
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SCO said:
I agree. But ok, i'm going to say it, i want something more than that. I want the phoenix crown to trade for the cloak of beards to inter back by the cult of gazul or whatever is most appropriate, so that shitheads from several generations ago messes can't easily be manipulated to cause order factions to go to war in the near future again or refuse to collaborate in battlefields against chaos. Obviously the Elfs are in the wrong here, but i kind of wonder if they didn't have some demonic help and if examining the crown might be informative.

But that is more of a karaz ankor and ulthuan transcendent boon.
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... Ya know, it might not be out of the realm of possibility between Vlag, our sudden Dawihood, and Dum.
 
SCO said:
They've been proselytizing the 'BOOKBOON' for about a thousand pages now. Now that (some) people are pushing back it's the time to stop?

The whole problem here is that most of the other options are unappealing, such as 'become a border prince with K8P support' or 'go to war against the chaos dwarfs' or 'conquer a pirate kingdom' or 'build a steam ship that K8P doesn't actually has a harbor to do that on', etc, so there is no sizable opponent block. And there won't be without discussion.


Myself i'm in the 'set up a Lustria expedition' camp of which a steamboat could be a part but it's kind of skeevy to ask it from landlocked K8P.
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Dude, I am not for the book boon. But discussing the boon is a only vicious circle until the time for voting comes.
 
Lupercal said:
Oh look that thing I said I was worried about but people said "Nah your being paranoid *our* EIC won't end up like that." :rolleyes:
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... so?

I don't see mathy has the 'good' guy by modern standards. but by (WF) Imperial standards.

from her, her partners and the empire's point of view there is nothing wrong with expanding imperial power by the gunpoint as well as trade.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
... so?

I don't see mathy has the 'good' guy by modern standards. but by (WF) Imperial standards.

from her, her partners and the empire's point of view there is nothing wrong with expanding imperial power by the gunpoint as well as trade.
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Against beastmen and greenskins? Sure. Against any Order-aligned factions? That's a bad idea chief, we certainly haven't run out of forests.
 
Horium said:
Dude, I am not for the book boon. But discussing the boon is a only vicious circle until the time for voting comes.
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Then stop making memes about it, like 'B O O K B O O N'. That's literally talking about it only it's not even a debate, just publicity.

To be honest, I almost suspect the boon will only be decided on Mathilde's last will and testament vote with the way it's been delayed and the thread votes for PLUS ULTRA DANGER. And i'd be fine with 'bookboon' then since it'd be completely harmless to narrative instead of gobbling several years (updates) of narrative.
 
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Why are people arguing about old
boon topics when the paradigm just shifted?

Obviously we are going to ask Belegar for help in reclaiming (and first, finding) our ancestral hold!

For the shadowbeards! Khazukan kazakit-HA!
 
Also, can I please rant publically about how much I hate this concept of "order factions", "destro factions" or whatever. Where people get this black-and-white mentality? Why people assign some factions as "good" and some as "evil" (and how much I hate this tolkienesque application of this concepts too...)? Why people think that "order" factions are somehow obligated to be Friends and do magic of love and friendship with each other and it is somehow better for everyone?
 
SCO said:
Then stop making memes about it, like 'B O O K B O O N'. That's literally talking about it only it's not even a debate, just publicity.

To be honest, I almost suspect the boon will only be decided on Mathilde's last will and testament vote with the way it's been delayed and the thread votes for PLUS ULTRA DANGER.
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Unless Mathilde dies in Karag Dum (i.e. quest ends), i don't think it's going to be put off any further. It only got delayed until the Okral left and now because of the Expedition, so it should be up for voting when we're back to regular turns.
 
matvprok said:
Where people get this black-and-white mentality?
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Warhammer Fantasy Rulebook. The tombkings and ogres are "neutral", and everyone else is either "order" or "destruction". This has implication for alliance games. It is literally part of the tabletop mechanics that dwarfs and high elves ally more easily and work together better than either with Orcs.
 
[X] HALL: No
[X] MEAT: Yes
[X] ARM: Yes
[X] NUT: Yes
[X] PAPERS: Yes

I'm back!

And I see the karak vlag thing went off well!
 
Mmm ah, guys? there is like a giant warning in here about discussing these topics. could we not? or at least be super careful when discussing morality when it comes to races and factions.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Against beastmen and greenskins? Sure. Against any Order-aligned factions? That's a bad idea chief, we certainly haven't run out of forests.
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Order-aligned is an OCC term.

In-universe they are all competing policies for the best land and trade routes.

example: striland don't want the forests( except to just get rid of them), they want the Moot back. because moot is the best farmland.

example: empire wants Marienburg back.

example: The dukedoms are always eyeing the Wastlands and trying to wow Avarland.

like, in-universe, these groups fight each other as much as they fight the bad guy's.

Mathy might have an 'higher ideal' in the abstract, but in practice, she is an empire girl I don't think she will see the EIC muscling out traders and Border princes from the best trade routes as a bad thing. because Empire/dwarfs > other order factions.

matvprok said:
Also, can I please rant publically about how much I hate this concept of "order factions", "destro factions" or whatever. Where people get this black-and-white mentality? Why people assign some factions as "good" and some as "evil" (and how much I hate this tolkienesque application of this concepts too...)? Why people think that "order" factions are somehow obligated to be Friends and do magic of love and friendship with each other and it is somehow better for everyone?
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Aman!
 
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