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- not actually Urk, I just liked the alliteration
[x] HALL: No
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: No
[x] NUT: No
[x] PAPERS: Yes
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: No
[x] NUT: No
[x] PAPERS: Yes
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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"Insanely high potency artefacts of unknown origin of unknown purpouses sourced from seedy merchants selling in a choas dwarf hold. I'm sure this is perfectly save to carry on an expedition through the chaoswastes where the best kind of security we can provide is 'lock it in a metal box'."
Seriously, there are basically no reasons to buy and a myriad not to, do you have any actual reasoning? Because so far those that have voted yea have yet to provide any.
[X] HALL: No
We probably won't be able to turn our backs on what we might see there, best leave it for now.
[X] MEAT: Yes
Even if its unpalatable, dwarves can survive off tree bark, someone can probably make it edible.
[X] ARM: Yes
Probably mummy gold.
[X] NUT: Yes
Even the chance at a acorn from the tree of ages is worth twice this much.
[X] PAPERS: Yes
Knowledge useful to the greys at the very least.
The worst that can happen is that we waste some money purchasing bad meat, fingers crossed we can get the priests and other wizards to check it out to make sure its safe to eat, and relatively untainted.
We probably won't be able to turn our backs on what we might see there, best leave it for now.
[X] MEAT: Yes
Even if its unpalatable, dwarves can survive off tree bark, someone can probably make it edible.
[X] ARM: Yes
Probably mummy gold.
[X] NUT: Yes
Even the chance at a acorn from the tree of ages is worth twice this much.
[X] PAPERS: Yes
Knowledge useful to the greys at the very least.
The worst that can happen is that we waste some money purchasing bad meat, fingers crossed we can get the priests and other wizards to check it out to make sure its safe to eat, and relatively untainted.
Acorns like that are talismans the wood elves use to protect against chaos. I don't think they will get passively corrupted just from passing through the magical equivalent of Mordenheim in a shielded box. As for the arm it was made by lizardmen, the anti-Chaos faction, those don't get corrupted like ever.
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- Washington
We're going through the chaos wastes but not like, the CHAOS WASTES chaos wastes. Anything that couldn't handle that ambient background dhar wouldn't still be uncorrupted in a world where Morrslieb exists.
- Location
- Spain
Not really, neither Lizardmen nor Silvan Elves are known to deploy armies beyond Lustria and Athel Loren respectively...
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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I was answering a post talking about IC reasons, where we don't know these things.
My OOC reasoning is basically mummy armies and elves.
Also, I don't like having unknown factors on hand during a crisis unneccessarily.
Lizardmen don't have mummy armies and they have shown no indication of going halfway around the world for a single arm, certain golden plaques yes, saurus prosthetics no. As for the wood elves, we can just give it back to them for favor, their pride if nothing else will demand they repay us.
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The thing is, even if all of the Karag Dum Dawi were captured and brought to Uzkulak, and they weren't immediately snapped up by the chaos dwarfs, it would still be very unlikely for us to find any if we went to the slave markets now because there's no reason why that capture and sale should have happened recently. Uzkulak isn't a place people stay long term, they show up, unload their goods and then leave. And if Dum fell in a way that left captives that could have as easily happened a year ago or a decade ago or a century ago is it would in the relatively small window of time which would result in the captives still being in Uzkulak.
"The thread didn't explicitly say to check for the Elf, so Mathilde is blind to her! Mwahahaha!"
Yeah, it's unnecessary. If there's an Elf in there, Mathilde will notice.
If you're talking about finding out without sticking Mathilde's head in there, no. That's very much trying to have your cake and eat it to and it's a really shitty thing for Mathilde to find herself saying. "Is there anyone worth my time in there, or just humans?"
There seems to be more Dhar lurking in the lower levels of this place than there is any Wind in any of the Colleges. Picking out individual enchantments would be incredibly difficult.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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That completely and utterly ignores my actual argument. Please go back and read it more carefully.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Random question, but assuming the acorn really is from Athel Loren, what are the chances we would get a forest vacation for returning it similar to our Nagarythe vacation? I think Athel Loren is supposed to be off-limits to outsiders, usually, but wasn't the same true for Nagarythe? Because Waystalker/Bladesinger training sounds almost as cool as Shadow Walker training.
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- Washington
Athel Loren is barely not off limits to it's own natives, I wouldn't want to go there even with an invitation.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
... What the heck does heretical mean in this context, if not 'uses Dhar', which it does not, or, I dunno, summons daemons?
We know she considers Frederick Van Hal the legendary necromancer to have only a sliver of the power she, a fully trained Lady Magister of the College, would have if she turned to Dhar.
Van Hal, the guy who waged war against the Skaven single-handedly by doing things like 'raising an army of undead dragons', 'conjuring a Storm of Magic' and 'causing Hexensnacht to happen months early for the power boost to his armies of undead.'
And the Chaos Dwarves live in a place called the Land of Skulls.
So, y'know. It's an option.
Maybe try reading the last 30 pages wherein a myriad of users have laid out a great many reasons, and this has been thoroughly discussed?
In-character it's (the arm) a fascinating magical artefact which is being sold under the assumption it's mundane gold, and we can clearly see is not radiating Dhar. If it's an overtly daemon possessed artefact the owner likely would have easily been able to find a local tribesmen to buy it. If it's covertly corrupted in some way, and somehow giving zero indication as such to our excellent magesight, then it's a Wile E. coyote tier plot. The level of paranoia needed to avoid any possible scheme with that many variables would be self-defeating.
If we're that worried about a plot, the meat should be far more of a concern, since a lord of change just burned our supply cache.
Out of character? It's probably an anti-daemon ray gun made by the Slann, and the most plausible explanation to its' origin is that a Norscan dug it out of a glacier where it's been sitting since the last battle at the polar gate.
The seed is more suspicious and I'm not going to defend that one, nor did I vote for it. Dark elves very much do have the breadth of travel and necessary skills to acquire something like that though; the real deal, that is.
OOC we're sure it's not that.
In character, that's the sort of thing that the Dwarves would absolutely have not allowed into the hold.
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- Spain
Boney has already confirmed that Mathilde has checked if it has any trace of Chaos Magic, and she has not found any (And she knows how to do it, she got the advanced chaos identification techniques course in the Colleges)... So, by its physical characteristics, we are 99.95% that it is a Lizardmen/Old One artifact
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Unstable? They wouldn't allow unstable and powerful artifacts into the marketplace; it'd be terrible for business (as evidenced by the fact that they exclude warpstone, or gold from Nehekhara or Lustria). And none of it is politically suicidal. At all. Honestly, having the Liber Mortis in our possession is far, far more dangerous.
There are many reasons to buy. For one, research papers. Two, they might end up being extremely useful, like that Ghyran seed. The Jade College might know what it is, or how to make use of it, or they'd want to exchange it for favors. The arm might have magical mechanisms that we can reverse-engineer, or take inspiration from.
The ghyran seed is hardly dangerous--Mathilde would have already seen if there was any dhar in it, or if it was producing any dhar. She'd have already seen if it seemed unstable.
Same with the arm.
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- Spain
Nekhaharans were humans, and humans tend to have 5 fingers... So it is much more likely to be from the Lizardmen.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Elves would never know, if they even care in the first place. Mummy armies isn't a thing; Chaos Dwarves don't allow anything stolen from Nehekhara or Lustria. Hell, we have and have read the goddamned Liber Mortis; which is far, far more dangerous.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
You know, for all that I'm wary of having Johann poke the arm if we buy it—even if there's no blatant cognitions-hazard it's probably a very old and very powerful artifact that may or may have been crafted by a fucking Old One and seeing it's creation process or history could cause problems—I will admire that there is a certain level of hype from what could be learned. Like, humans, in general, have no clue what Lizardmen are or that the Old Ones were a thing, or any of that, right? But here is something that could show all of that. Something that could have lived through the Great Catastrophe, even, and the coming of Chaos. The secrets that could be learned... papers. Papers galore. Also probably Johann becoming a supporter of the Great Plan, but that might not be a bad thing.
Wasn't that comparison also back when she had, like, six or seven magic? And now we're sitting at nine with, I expect, a fair chance of at least one more when the trait vote comes up. God damn, Mathilde is a scary person. I almost want to press that big red button just to watch the mushroom cloud.
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- Washington
Chaos Dwarves don't allow a specific selection of things from Lustria, other things are evidently fair game.
Which I think is suggestion that if it is any sort of Lizardman artifact, it's NOT something that the lizardmen or slann care enough about to go tracking it down in the old world. Because if it was, then it wouldn't be permitted in Uzkulak.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
IMHO I think the chances are pretty low, as we first would have to correctly identify it and realize its cultural value before someone goes and plant it to see what it does.
If I'll be honest with you, I'll give it 1 in 4.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
I meant more of a direct "how likely would giving it to them resulting in a vacation offer be". The chances of even doing that are low, I'll agree, but if it did happen, are we more likely to get some other reward?
Mummy stuff or daemons, but in the case of the later...
...I have been ninja'd. It could also be lingering trauma from a enemy-necromancer filled campaign I'm trying to repress that the arm's description is triggering, but it could also just be my paranoia or memories of the arm of the Judge of Buffy the Vampire Slayer fame too. Point is, we bring it along, I'm half expecting the thing to try to strangle us in our sleep.