Or to put it another way. Robbin Hood is an outlaw with a heart of gold, not criminals are greedy Robin Hoods. The transgression comes first.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Or to put it another way. Robbin Hood is an outlaw with a heart of gold, not criminals are greedy Robin Hoods. The transgression comes first.
Chaos is not united though, and is often at loggerheads.Skaven access to the secrets of the East, or to resources like rubber, do not apply to the Fire Dwarves. Or the Dark Elves. The allure and danger of Uzkulak is that it allows the transfer of such goods from the hands of Destro/Chaos followers who may not know what it is, or how to utilize it, into the hands of Chaos followers who DO.
That's why interception is important.
And why we cant just assume this is routine stuff that wont get into the wrong hands.
Johann caught a glimpse of the Ancestor Gods.
I assume at this point he is better suited than Mathilde to make that sort of judgement about the cognitive effects of Gold spells.
And frankly, I dont expect him to be poking at this on our trip into or out of the Wastes.
A quick scan for obvious danger, then secure it it for later and only investigate when in a place of safety. He wasnt casting investigative Gold spells on skaventech during our raids after all.
Worst come to worst, we trade it to the Gold College for favor and its weight in gold.
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Anyone consider that Borek may be kind off cross if we buy more than we had to, even if we give him back the money?
Or with the fact that we are giving away war funds that, even if repaid later, may be critical later in the journey for a reason or another?
@BoneyM , are my fears too paranoid?
Considering what peasants do to litle girls when they are suspected magicians, and maybe to innocent Halflings too, that is NOT a knock against Ranald.
Or with the fact that we are giving away war funds that, even if repaid later, may be critical later in the journey for a reason or another?
@BoneyM , are my fears too paranoid?
Considering what peasants do to litle girls when they are suspected magicians, and maybe to innocent Halflings too, that is NOT a knock against Ranald.
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Sure, but if those cheats, thieves and conmen weren't criminals, what would they be? Peasants. They're people who have avoided the life he teaches you to avoid by following his lessons on how to avoid it.
how much gold do we have and do we have anything to sell?
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This is a minority position - to my knowledge, most people do not want to create a research institute at Karak Eight Peaks.
No, many of them are merchants and some of them especially when it coems to the deceiver would be courtiers and other nobles.
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- Under your bed
Can chaos dwarves feel the winds like wizards?
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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Grind it down for power juice, or alternatively a virility potion, as is tradition for folk medicaments, i assume
Its right in the update, 2800 gold. We have anything to buy all of the three items.
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"Sorry for buying an anti-demon ray gun arm when we're walking into hell, boss."
Assuming of course we can figure it out.
On the surface it's definitely a very Ranaldian thing to do - going shopping for meat and spending expedition money buying a bunch of curios, which is incidentally why I think it's a great decision!
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Kinda funny that "Chaos Vegas" actually got used a lot by now, if much less after that we've actually seen it.
I just used it because I couldn't remember any real coastal trade-cities in America off the top of my head and was to lazy to look it up.
Taking two minutes time for that post and we would have Chaos-Boston or something like that now, instead of one of the least fitting major cities for the equivalency.
I just used it because I couldn't remember any real coastal trade-cities in America off the top of my head and was to lazy to look it up.
Taking two minutes time for that post and we would have Chaos-Boston or something like that now, instead of one of the least fitting major cities for the equivalency.
There are all sorts of overlapping gods, so that doesn't really mean much. Note that several other gods of criminals are proscribed gods. They also tend to be local gods, like Gunndred is a regional deity in Averland. Elsewhere Ranald would probably fill that role.
Consider Borchband the Voice, patron god of political agitators as another example of a gif that overlaps with some aspects of Ranald in some places.
Their sorcerer-priests can, they are very rare though.
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I've been thinking about it and I'm actually tempted by the idea of, rather than "Book Boon", "Blank-check boon" - Belegar giving us the authority to pay for whatever project we think of with his money - we don't become massively wealthy for personal purposes, but when we want to achieve something that's expensive, we always have the funding.
It does a complete end-run around the idea of "we don't want Belegar bankrupting himself on something too big" because we could choose exactly how much of his money we spend on a case by case basis. And it avoids the whole confusion of what book-boon means (Does it just mean funding? Does he fail if he can't find a specific book that was published two centuries ago? Does it mean a building with constant guards?) because we can step-by-step buy whichever pieces we like.
It does a complete end-run around the idea of "we don't want Belegar bankrupting himself on something too big" because we could choose exactly how much of his money we spend on a case by case basis. And it avoids the whole confusion of what book-boon means (Does it just mean funding? Does he fail if he can't find a specific book that was published two centuries ago? Does it mean a building with constant guards?) because we can step-by-step buy whichever pieces we like.
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I am not using him not being proscibed as proof, I am merely stating that gods stand for ideals and ways of thought higher than the sum of their domains and the proof of that is that there ARE eviler gods who share domains with him. If that wasn't the case, every single war god would be a monster, but except for Khorne and Khaine, they seem to be all heroic, because they stand for something more complex than the sum of their individual domains as material realities.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I don't think that's true, we'll see after the expedition, there's been an awful lot of talk about making a research institute in Karak 8 Peaks after the Bookboon goes through. I don't think it can be said to be a minority position before it's put to a vote but I suppose this could be like the Liber Mortis vote where there was a very vocal minority that didn't want to read it whilst the vast majority was for it.
I was thinking of making a post about this, but Ranald is in some ways a god of the relatively wealthy. He's a god of people rich enough to have portable goods and coin, and to exist in a market rather than the subsistence and barter economy of the rural peasantry.
Ulric is also worshipped by chaos marauders from Norsca who sacrifice innocent Imperial citizens in his name, etc. Etc
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I'm pretty confident that this is indeed the case, but concede that we haven't actually had a vote on it or anything. I only mentioned it so that people wouldn't vote with the idea that they needed to save money for something we planned on needing lots of money for.
[X] HALL: No
[X] MEAT: Yes
[X] ARM: No
[X] NUT: No
[X] PAPERS: Yes
Visiting the hall is a terrible idea. The Chaos Dwarves have had centuries to sharpen their defences, and many of those who have passed through will have been better than Mathilde at Intrigue. I guarantee you that more than a few Druchii corsair captains were well above intrigue 25 *edit* and really wanted to not have to pay for slaves.
I don't trust the meat frankly. The sample lends me negaive confidence and the stupidly high asking price suggests to me that the official is getting desperate and is trying a hail mary before as the price is just shy of the value being low enough that Zharr-Naggrund is going to take them.
Edit: It was pointed out to me that we actually have magic that can unspoil spoiled meat (cleansing glow, light magic). So I'm changing to yes on that.
Don't fancy the arm as another item to add to the research pile.
The Seed is stupidly overpriced and the seller clearly knows it. Since he's a druchii there is some chance that he can feel the power within it even if he can't use it (Morathi tends to keep tight control of Druchii sorcerers but that doesn't mean they can't have magic senses). Given Mathilde's clearly alone I'd wouldn't be surprised if the thing's a stalking horse that contains a tonne of power without actual use, but the stupid asking price will attract customers who are: both magically inclined (potentially good value for capture away from the market) and rich (stupid asking price). It absolutely isn't an Acorn of the Oak of ages or something stupid because the gate guard explicitly asks about that sort of thing and I wouldn't bet on the Chaos Dwarves not having their own ways to detect magic.
All in all I think it's a lot more trouble than it's worth.
The rubbings are relatively cheap, potentially very interesting and satisfies the need to buy something (in case the Chaos Dawi take exception to window shoppers).
[X] MEAT: Yes
[X] ARM: No
[X] NUT: No
[X] PAPERS: Yes
Visiting the hall is a terrible idea. The Chaos Dwarves have had centuries to sharpen their defences, and many of those who have passed through will have been better than Mathilde at Intrigue. I guarantee you that more than a few Druchii corsair captains were well above intrigue 25 *edit* and really wanted to not have to pay for slaves.
Edit: It was pointed out to me that we actually have magic that can unspoil spoiled meat (cleansing glow, light magic). So I'm changing to yes on that.
Don't fancy the arm as another item to add to the research pile.
The Seed is stupidly overpriced and the seller clearly knows it. Since he's a druchii there is some chance that he can feel the power within it even if he can't use it (Morathi tends to keep tight control of Druchii sorcerers but that doesn't mean they can't have magic senses). Given Mathilde's clearly alone I'd wouldn't be surprised if the thing's a stalking horse that contains a tonne of power without actual use, but the stupid asking price will attract customers who are: both magically inclined (potentially good value for capture away from the market) and rich (stupid asking price). It absolutely isn't an Acorn of the Oak of ages or something stupid because the gate guard explicitly asks about that sort of thing and I wouldn't bet on the Chaos Dwarves not having their own ways to detect magic.
All in all I think it's a lot more trouble than it's worth.
The rubbings are relatively cheap, potentially very interesting and satisfies the need to buy something (in case the Chaos Dawi take exception to window shoppers).
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My point exactly. A god may be worshipped by people they do not jive with, or that other people think they would not jive with.
Or they may be warp entities with no stable sense of self.