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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Ehh, they're just holding of on evaluating the Grudge because it belongs in the Dalaz Kron, not the Dammaz Kron.

And the entry in Belegar's Dalaz Kron is already "Transcendential".
 
Tasoli said:
No they are saying humans can't be this good so it must be a dwarf. The whole thing is a total insult to entire human race.
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Sure, do we care enough to bring it up? Mathilde cares more about belonging than some notion of human value. An entire species of usually suspicious grumbling perfectionists said to the girl without a family or clan 'you can be one of us'.

Yes I know Reginald is something of a father figure but that will always be through the perspective of being our mentor.
 
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13th Fleet said:
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I require the context of this.

BoneyM said:
Renouncing citizenship of the Empire means renouncing your knighthood, your fief, and your position in the Grey Order.
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Let's not please.

Asheram said:
Hold up, if this "we are now Dwarf" is real, as Boney has confirmed, does that mean that our dreams of Dwarven adoption isn't for naught?
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Our what now?

Tasoli said:
I feel it is insulting to be honestly. They are refusing to acknowledge that MC is human because of her deeds are too good for humans I guess.
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Let's not make assumptions based on nothing but a single grudge. For all we know they did a soulscan or a confused oracle told them.

065tdsa said:
Mathilde is a member of Clan Huzkul, apparently.
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Yay!
 
Shane_357 said:
Honestly it's Warhammer Fantasy humanity. So that includes Norsca and Nagash and also technically all those degenerated ghouls. WF humans deserve the insult.
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No they don't, not any more than Dwarfs deserve for Fire Dwarfs. There is just more human examples because Humans are the only Order Horde species.
 
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Tasoli said:
Maybe, -that is good one. Hadn't tought of that but still insulting to humans.
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Dwarves arent perfect no, and politics and secrecy likely helped shape the current... situation as much as gratitude. But that is life.

Our actions will benefit humanity for generations. The esteem we have personally gathered will aid the empire, humanity as a whole, and the colleges of magic.
 
DragonParadox said:
They do call them Dawi Zhar. Much as the dwarfs hate their fallen kinsmen they acknowledge the relationship.
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Yes but they are not proof of dwarfs being unworthy any more then Norscans being proof that Empire being unworthy.

DocMatoi said:
Why is there such an obsession with apotheosis? I don't see the appeal
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You are in the wrong forum then. Narcistic megolomania is literally is in the name of the forum.
 
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Luxon said:
Dwarves do Ancestor worship. By declaring us a dwarf, they kind of have made it legal for dwarves to start worshiping us as a God when we die.

This is what step one of adding us to the dwarven pantheon would look like, which is why the people giving this grudge is the Ancestor Cult Conclave.
They kind of are arguing that they want to make us a God.
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I wouldn't go so far to call us a God, but if we are officially known as a Dawi souled reincarnation then we do have grounds for a claim on Living Ancestor status.
Ranald is likely rolling around on the floor, laughing his ass off.
 
Tasoli said:
Still doesn't explain why A human can't be this good because bad humans exist.
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It's not just bad humans, it's the scale of the badness. Dawi Zhar are a horror and a blight upon the world, but they are also isolationists who mostly sell canons to Chaos Armies. By contrast humans are hands down the favored champions of the Ruinous Powers, the beastmen are jealous of them over it. The shame of humanity (not the Empire, not Bretonia, Kislev etc...) but is incomparably greater to dwarf eyes. To you or me that may look like a backwards way of looking at things, but we don't have a dwarf's tendency to obsess over the negatives of life.
 
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Okay but have we considered that the Dwarfs might just be smug pricks who don't want to acknowledge that a human can be fantastic?

That is an option, you know.
 
I'd like Thorek more than Kragg tbh. More practical. Would suit us better for long-term intimate relationship.
edit1-intimate in the familial sense
 
DragonParadox said:
It's not just bad humans, it's the scale of the badness. Dawi Zhar are a horror and a blight upon the world, but they are also isolationists who mostly sell canons to Chaos Armies. By contrast humans are hands down the favored champions of the Ruinous Powers, the beastmen are jealous of them over it. The shame of humanity (not the Empire, not Bretonia, Kislev etc...) but is incomparably greater to dwarf eyes. To you or me that may look like a backwards way of looking at things, but we don't have a dwarf's tendency to obsess over the negatives of life.
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Yes but how does that leads to a human doing good things being declared not human anymore rather than erasing the shame?
 
BoneyM said:
After certain confidential information was vouchsafed to this body by a source of undoubtable repute
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Wait, but if the source of information was Ranald himself due to the Protector Coin then... then, what, did Ranald brag to Thorgrim about Mathilde... and end up getting a "That one's going into the book!" response?

Guess he shouldn't have made that joke about stealing a Dawi soul. He didn't think they'd take him seriously.
BoneyM said:
Reparation or vengeance for said Grudge is to be postponed pending the full and proper evaluation of the consequences of those actions, which may be considered to mitigate, in whole or in part, those actions.
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For instance, if the theft was done because otherwise the soul would have been captured by Daemons or something, then that would make the act already balancing itself out to start with. :V

I just... dunno what this is. I, I guess, if not a joke then... it's Ranald finding out what happens when you brag and joke to the Dwarf High King? He takes your words seriously. :V

... For maximum humor and wtf-ness, and in keeping with some of the jokes made about Karag Dum and time stuff... Clearly, this must mean that Mathilde was born in Karag Dum. :V And eventually died there, in the middle of the time-warp, and her spirit was stolen away by Ranald and reborn into the Empire. And so now this spirit has found its way back to its previous birthing place of Karag Dum. Clearly. :V
 
I mean, I do agree that 'recognising the human as great' is better then 'obviously she was a Dwarf all along'.

but I know from my lore that it was never going to work like that.

Dwarf Egos are even bigger then elf egos, just quieter about it and more used to dealing with humans.

like, dwarfs don't respect humans, they can like and trust individuals. but we are eternal beardlings to them.

and you don't respect a beardling.
 
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