Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Sir_Travelsalot
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Do even Runesmiths have any sort of magic sense? From the way it was always described, they can see the Rune taking shape and the power flowing into it as they create it, but they don't perceive magic itself unless it's the visible effects of a spell. Granted, most of what I know on the topic is from Rhunrikki Strollar.
13th Bee
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Mopman43
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There actually is such a non-hypothetical Dwarf (well, sorta) and they are actually capable of using a divine lore.
So, in the 2nd edition Karak Azgal book, Balikina Furlisdotr is the local High Priest of Valaya, and is capable of using the Lore of Shallya (one would assume that's standing in for a never-developed Lore of Valaya)
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I do not think Mathilde can leave the grey college alive. Or without the greys wanting to murder her. Plus there is that whole oath she took.
Citizenship is not a thing that exists unless you are talking about individual cities, a oath is what binds Mathilde to the Colleges and no dwarf would break that.
Renouncing citizenship of the Empire means renouncing your knighthood, your fief, and your position in the Grey Order.
Mopman43
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Too many tangled responsibilities to do that. The first loyalty of an Imperial Magister is to the Empire, and even besides that, Mathilde is a Dame in Stirland.
Doomed Wombat
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Nah.
They can know em as attested to by Kragg, but they can't sense the winds/magic in that way. Maybe something with runes, but that's bout it.
pucflek
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Ancestor Gods
The Ancestor Gods are the chief deities worshipped by the Dwarfs. The Dwarfs venerate their once-mortal legendary ancestors instead of worshipping otherworldly gods of the Aethyr like Men and Elves. Dwarfs believe that the spirits of the Ancestors watch over them, guide their actions, judge...
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Lore of Gazul only has one spell, to be sure, but i refuse to believe there are no Rituals of Gazul that would let you somewhat evaluate a soul.
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Sir_Travelsalot
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...There's a Karak Azgal book?! Where?!
Kragg felt something of our altercation with Mork, presumably it's a sense of his magic repulsion reacting to the Winds.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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I expected things to get chaotic on our expedition, but I did not expect this.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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I take it duel citizenship isn't a thing in WHF ATM
Also somewhat concerned the Dawi's response to "Mathilde can't do all this stuff as an Umgi she must be a Dawi" is to then call for a grudge on Ranald...
Ancestor Gods
The Ancestor Gods are the chief deities worshipped by the Dwarfs. The Dwarfs venerate their once-mortal legendary ancestors instead of worshipping otherworldly gods of the Aethyr like Men and Elves. Dwarfs believe that the spirits of the Ancestors watch over them, guide their actions, judge...
Lore of Gazul only has one spell, to be sure, but i refuse to believe there are no Rites of Gazul that would let you somewhat evaluate a soul.
That would be first Edition RPG lore, it also includes dwarf wizards and priests of Gazul wielding necromancy.
Mopman43
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2nd edition, like I said. "Adventures of the Dragon Crag".
I should clarify- that's 2nd edition RPG.
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The Four Questions
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- Greece
Ya know what, I am inspired to make an omake about Ranald. And so I will.
The Four questions
"Very few holy writings of Ranald exists." the priest that didn't look like a priest said to the assortment of thieves, conmen and gamblers that were the regulars of his congregation "Yet an interesting one to ponder is the writings of Magister Grey number 4, one of Ranald's foremost venerated souls. A number of parables, written later in her life, consist of some of the most radical, yet profound, opinions on Ranald."
"Magister Grey?" Gregarious Grecht, a conman of some renown, who has managed to buy his way into higher education by conning the rich, asked "Don't you mean Mathilde Weber? Everyone knows it could be no woman other than her, it is obvious to anyone who knows her historical achievements, which are referenced on the writings multiple times"
"Yes" the priest said "Everyone knows who number 4 is, but the colleges want to maintain plausible deniability, so everybody dances around the issue. It pleases Ranald that such an obvious deception gets taken at face value by everyone, so it is kept even though it is unnecessary" plus, there was some symbology on there being 4 Magister Greys, but that was another matter, not something he would preach to his flock.
"Today I will recount to you one of those parables. The parable of the 4 questions."
"Once" it began "4 people came to me. A Wizard, a Ranaldite, a Dawi and a Stirlander. And they each asked me a question.:
"The Wizard asked me: "How, o Magister Grey, did you reach the level of wisdom , power and knowledge you possess?"
"I gambled" was my answer "One life for 10, then one life for a hundred, then one life for a thousand. And I kept winning the gamble, and with each win, I gained more. Gambling a single coin to win a thousand is a no brainer for a gamble, the same odds are equally good when lives are on the line, 1 for a 1000 is a bargain. And each time I won, I won more than lives. It's just that most people never take that gamble, for no matter what, all mortals have but one life to gamble, their own"
"The Ranaldite asked me, equal parts curiosity and deviousness "You are a Ranaldite, yet you use a greatsword. How can you reconcile this blatant breach of scripture?"
"Because the scripture is a metaphor" was my answer " The sword is symbolic of force overwhelming, overbearing and messy, a threat to dangle over the heads of over and a bloody, imprecise method of killing artless fools use. It is a method that has to go through innocents and soldiers to reach your target, maximizing the collateral, a method to scare others into obedience, a method that, for most, takes little skill and forethought, for master swordsmen are few and relying on such force is fleeting, for you can always be caught without one. In all regards, the dagger symbolises the exact opposite. It takes mastery to use well, it surgically strikes solely the target, it is subtle and doesn't lord others, and it can be discarded and replaced easily. But depending on the circumstance, and depending on your mindset, a mountain that assigns individualised death sentences to an army can be the elegant, artful, subtle solution with minimal collateral. It is all a matter of the frame of mind."
And then the Dawi asked me, reverence and suspicion creating a weird mix in his voice "Your god is a god of thieves and scoundrels, how is it that you are honorable?"
"Ranald fundamentally is a god of undermining unearned pride" I replied " of opposing the lords and kings that rule over others without having the sense of responsibility this entails. Ranald is a human god that reflects human needs, for humans need someone to keep wicked superiors in check. Dawi rarely face such a need, and when they do the exception tends to remain not for long, so one who remains with the Dawi, or any ruler that cares for their subjects, should assist, not derail, for Ranald is the god of assisting the weak against the strong and punishing the strong with the tools of the weak, not a scoundrel for the sake of being a scoundrel."
And then the Stirlander asked, with the voice that betrayed one who knew state secrets "You say you are a Ranaldian, yet tongues on the street claim you helped your then lord kill one of his subjects. Is the rumor false?"
"No, it is not, but it is also not strictly true" I replied "for you see, a wicked lord, one who should be targeted by Ranald, is someone who lords his power over others. Those you protect and should never betray and those you should undermine are not defined by their position on society, although it often does define them but by their actions. A few peasants can lord over a child, attempting to kill it for a meaningless reason, yet a soldier, someone higher on the social hierarchy, can see the child as worth saving. It is so in the eyes of Ranald: a person worth undermining punches down simply to assert their strength, pride, and fragile worldview, they sabotage their friends and turn the lives of others into tools, and so, whether through a position of superiority or not, it is a Ranaldian's duty to take them down. A coconspirator, however, is someone who sees others as people worthy of respect, and so, regardless of position in a hierarchy, he is a friend. Ranald cares not one whit about hierarchy, but that cuts both ways, for lords and coconspirators are matters of behavior, not fake titles most have not earned."
And that was the parable. As you can see, it provides multiple interesting subjects to think about, filtered through magister Grey's unconventional views. Many have wondered, was she perhaps so beloved by Ranald because of her deeper understanding of his commandments, or was she merely amusing to him? Her points, nevertheless, are worth considering."
"Mister priest" Olson, the little orphan that has been pickpocketing people on Magnus avenue asked "The 4 questions should correspond to Ranald's 4 faces, yet no matter how much I try, each and every set of questions and answer correspond to more than one. The first seems to be the gambler's, yet it is also about the Protector. The second seems to be about the Night Prowler and the Deceiver alike. And the final 2 seem to talk about all the faces and none."
A perceptive question. The kid had potential. Maybe it was time to take an understudy, for eventually a new priest would be needed " It is so. Mathilde believed that the 4 faces of Ranald were an oversimplification, and as such that he should be seen holistically. No writing of hers referred to one facet alone, but rather, filtered everything through all 4 of them, for she believed they operated as a whole, not divided. Ranald is a single god, not 4 after all."
"Any other questions? No? Well then" the priest picked up his bag "I believe this sermon has run long, and I am late for my traditional afternoon burglary. See you all same time next week?"
As if they were all one person, his coconspirators exclaimed "yes". Well, except for Alajor the silent, who simply nodded, but he couldn't blame a man who couldn't talk for that.
The Four questions
"Very few holy writings of Ranald exists." the priest that didn't look like a priest said to the assortment of thieves, conmen and gamblers that were the regulars of his congregation "Yet an interesting one to ponder is the writings of Magister Grey number 4, one of Ranald's foremost venerated souls. A number of parables, written later in her life, consist of some of the most radical, yet profound, opinions on Ranald."
"Magister Grey?" Gregarious Grecht, a conman of some renown, who has managed to buy his way into higher education by conning the rich, asked "Don't you mean Mathilde Weber? Everyone knows it could be no woman other than her, it is obvious to anyone who knows her historical achievements, which are referenced on the writings multiple times"
"Yes" the priest said "Everyone knows who number 4 is, but the colleges want to maintain plausible deniability, so everybody dances around the issue. It pleases Ranald that such an obvious deception gets taken at face value by everyone, so it is kept even though it is unnecessary" plus, there was some symbology on there being 4 Magister Greys, but that was another matter, not something he would preach to his flock.
"Today I will recount to you one of those parables. The parable of the 4 questions."
"Once" it began "4 people came to me. A Wizard, a Ranaldite, a Dawi and a Stirlander. And they each asked me a question.:
"The Wizard asked me: "How, o Magister Grey, did you reach the level of wisdom , power and knowledge you possess?"
"I gambled" was my answer "One life for 10, then one life for a hundred, then one life for a thousand. And I kept winning the gamble, and with each win, I gained more. Gambling a single coin to win a thousand is a no brainer for a gamble, the same odds are equally good when lives are on the line, 1 for a 1000 is a bargain. And each time I won, I won more than lives. It's just that most people never take that gamble, for no matter what, all mortals have but one life to gamble, their own"
"The Ranaldite asked me, equal parts curiosity and deviousness "You are a Ranaldite, yet you use a greatsword. How can you reconcile this blatant breach of scripture?"
"Because the scripture is a metaphor" was my answer " The sword is symbolic of force overwhelming, overbearing and messy, a threat to dangle over the heads of over and a bloody, imprecise method of killing artless fools use. It is a method that has to go through innocents and soldiers to reach your target, maximizing the collateral, a method to scare others into obedience, a method that, for most, takes little skill and forethought, for master swordsmen are few and relying on such force is fleeting, for you can always be caught without one. In all regards, the dagger symbolises the exact opposite. It takes mastery to use well, it surgically strikes solely the target, it is subtle and doesn't lord others, and it can be discarded and replaced easily. But depending on the circumstance, and depending on your mindset, a mountain that assigns individualised death sentences to an army can be the elegant, artful, subtle solution with minimal collateral. It is all a matter of the frame of mind."
And then the Dawi asked me, reverence and suspicion creating a weird mix in his voice "Your god is a god of thieves and scoundrels, how is it that you are honorable?"
"Ranald fundamentally is a god of undermining unearned pride" I replied " of opposing the lords and kings that rule over others without having the sense of responsibility this entails. Ranald is a human god that reflects human needs, for humans need someone to keep wicked superiors in check. Dawi rarely face such a need, and when they do the exception tends to remain not for long, so one who remains with the Dawi, or any ruler that cares for their subjects, should assist, not derail, for Ranald is the god of assisting the weak against the strong and punishing the strong with the tools of the weak, not a scoundrel for the sake of being a scoundrel."
And then the Stirlander asked, with the voice that betrayed one who knew state secrets "You say you are a Ranaldian, yet tongues on the street claim you helped your then lord kill one of his subjects. Is the rumor false?"
"No, it is not, but it is also not strictly true" I replied "for you see, a wicked lord, one who should be targeted by Ranald, is someone who lords his power over others. Those you protect and should never betray and those you should undermine are not defined by their position on society, although it often does define them but by their actions. A few peasants can lord over a child, attempting to kill it for a meaningless reason, yet a soldier, someone higher on the social hierarchy, can see the child as worth saving. It is so in the eyes of Ranald: a person worth undermining punches down simply to assert their strength, pride, and fragile worldview, they sabotage their friends and turn the lives of others into tools, and so, whether through a position of superiority or not, it is a Ranaldian's duty to take them down. A coconspirator, however, is someone who sees others as people worthy of respect, and so, regardless of position in a hierarchy, he is a friend. Ranald cares not one whit about hierarchy, but that cuts both ways, for lords and coconspirators are matters of behavior, not fake titles most have not earned."
And that was the parable. As you can see, it provides multiple interesting subjects to think about, filtered through magister Grey's unconventional views. Many have wondered, was she perhaps so beloved by Ranald because of her deeper understanding of his commandments, or was she merely amusing to him? Her points, nevertheless, are worth considering."
"Mister priest" Olson, the little orphan that has been pickpocketing people on Magnus avenue asked "The 4 questions should correspond to Ranald's 4 faces, yet no matter how much I try, each and every set of questions and answer correspond to more than one. The first seems to be the gambler's, yet it is also about the Protector. The second seems to be about the Night Prowler and the Deceiver alike. And the final 2 seem to talk about all the faces and none."
A perceptive question. The kid had potential. Maybe it was time to take an understudy, for eventually a new priest would be needed " It is so. Mathilde believed that the 4 faces of Ranald were an oversimplification, and as such that he should be seen holistically. No writing of hers referred to one facet alone, but rather, filtered everything through all 4 of them, for she believed they operated as a whole, not divided. Ranald is a single god, not 4 after all."
"Any other questions? No? Well then" the priest picked up his bag "I believe this sermon has run long, and I am late for my traditional afternoon burglary. See you all same time next week?"
As if they were all one person, his coconspirators exclaimed "yes". Well, except for Alajor the silent, who simply nodded, but he couldn't blame a man who couldn't talk for that.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Good Priests being able to call up their god and ask for stuff is an exclusively human thing. No other Order Force does it. And even then, it's highly rare; lacking the capacity certainly doesn't impact their ability to carry out their duties.
All dwarven priests being in the boat almost all human priests are in isn't exactly a stunning denounciation of their competency.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
I wonder if Belegar's reaction to this news is thinking about that time Mathilde almost followed a dragon ogre back to Thunder Mountain while scouting and imagining what would happen if she did that now.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
I'll note that magic or no Gunnar's was able to look at us and tell we weren't possessed by Gork n Mork.
So that's something.
So that's something.
Wheelbarrows in an anvil of doom
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
By looking at our shadow, which has a distinctive visual tell.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
IIRC he did that afterwards, but fair nuff.