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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Kliden said:
If grey wizards were forced to liberate slaves every time they saw them, they'd be pretty bad spies.
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I was primarily referring to our obligations to Ranald, free-er of the oppressed.
But, Boney has said they're not overriding.

This would definitely be timely.
[ ] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
This is possibly a whole separate (fascinating, dreadful) world-building update on it's own.
[ ] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr

I've still no particular interest in ranging or scouting along the well-travelled road- let the wilderness and survivalist Knights do it, they have a lot more manpower. We're the only one with the other options on our list.
 
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BoneyM said:
No, it's exposure to magic turns Dwarves to stone, not allegiance. Slaanesh would refrain from granting blessings if it made the Slayers less fun.
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...so what you are saying that the showing in the fight was wholly the Slaayers innate skills rather than anything Chaotic in blessing.

Well then.
NexusEye said:
If Dum is lost Borek wouldn't care if Vlag came back converted into solid gromril with rediscovered Golden Age Runelord, he'd still despair and go Slayer.
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While the last part is slightly more than likely, Borek does care.
BoneyM said:
There's a lull in the conversation as glances begin to go sideways at Borek, who is frowning, lost in his thought. "So many have put so much towards the attempt to reclaim my own home," he says at last, "that I cannot justify not doing the same for Karak Vlag. Karag Dum would rather be lost than inherit the shame I would bring them if I did not try."
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It's not much, but it is something.
BoneyM said:
"They'd be expecting Alriksson anyway," Borek says. "Doubt they've heard of Thorgrim."

"Exactly, so-" you pause as you consider that. "That's it."
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Also I like that Mathilde's sales pitch to the Vlag Dawi boils down to 'reality is stranger than fiction'. Can you imagine you got besieged for 200 years and then some grey robed Wizard say, "Actually, the High King said it's time to go out in a blaze of glory forever?" That already stunned the folks we're giving the pitch to, but that will reverberate massively.

...Oh god, Vlag is back and the survivors amongst them still includes Runesmiths. Which means Thorek — eventually — has a non-Dum source that can tell him about the Runemasters in a detail — that while isn't Dum, likely to be supportive by close proximity and ties — that might lead him to start the crusade on the Runelords who opposed Karak Dum.

Well then.
 
[ ] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr

Another plus to this is given Karag Dum is in their relative vicinity, this is arguably the best chance to get information on both what happened to it in the past and its current state given both the Dawi Zharr and various traders, Chaos affiliates, and tribes people all have various reasons to know just what's happening there and likely for it to become common knowledge given two centuries have passed.
 
tentatively favoring these

[ ] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[ ] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[ ] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania

[ ] Scouting near the convoy
- With the Winter Wolves

Other:
[ ] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[ ] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
 
Guys, visiting the Chaos Dwarves is a BAD IDEA. Remember how they still send assassins after that one Wizard that sabotaged one of their Hellcannon factories? All the way in Altdorf? Do you really want to paint a target on our backs like that?

Besides, between the loss of the vast majority of our Slayers and some of our Rangers, our food problem is probably less of a problem now.
 
Personally I am interested in talking to Ruprecht, his rallying of the Winter Wolves was impressive.

Did the expedition mancount change? How many did we loose in that skirmish?


SaltyWaffles said:
Guys, visiting the Chaos Dwarves is a BAD IDEA. Remember how they still send assassins after that one Wizard that sabotaged one of their Hellcannon factories? All the way in Altdorf? Do you really want to paint a target on our backs like that?

Besides, between the loss of the vast majority of our Slayers and some of our Rangers, our food problem is probably less of a problem now.
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Not really, 90% of the expeditions food needs are because of the Wolves and Demigryphs. Those carnivores each eat more meat than a dozen Dwarves.
 
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Ganurath said:
You're having entirely too much fun with this.
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And he follows up immediately after with this.
BoneyM said:
Every Order prefers to deal with such things in-house, but when all else fails it is to the Grey Order that the unenviable task of eliminating so-called Black Magisters falls. You've heard stories of how bad it can get when someone with a full College education decides to misuse it, and few of them ended cleanly.
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SaltyWaffles said:
Guys, visiting the Chaos Dwarves is a BAD IDEA. Remember how they still send assassins after that one Wizard that sabotaged one of their Hellcannon factories? All the way in Altdorf? Do you really want to paint a target on our backs like that?

Besides, between the loss of the vast majority of our Slayers and some of our Rangers, our food problem is probably less of a problem now.
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We can simply wear someone else's face while visiting.
 
Alliterate said:
Hey! No stealing academic credit, that paper is (future) Doctor Qrech's ticket to tenure! :V
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That's....huh. Actually a good idea. It would be Qretch's magnum opus, and something he would actually likely be willing to do, given the simple logic that the Chaos Dwarves are a shared enemy, and the Skaven (purely hypothetically) might even approve of helping one of their enemies better fight a more frustrating and eternal enemy.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Guys, visiting the Chaos Dwarves is a BAD IDEA. Remember how they still send assassins after that one Wizard that sabotaged one of their Hellcannon factories? All the way in Altdorf? Do you really want to paint a target on our backs like that?

Besides, between the loss of the vast majority of our Slayers and some of our Rangers, our food problem is probably less of a problem now.
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This is explicitly a trade center, and we haven't blown up their factories.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Guys, visiting the Chaos Dwarves is a BAD IDEA. Remember how they still send assassins after that one Wizard that sabotaged one of their Hellcannon factories? All the way in Altdorf? Do you really want to paint a target on our backs like that?

Besides, between the loss of the vast majority of our Slayers and some of our Rangers, our food problem is probably less of a problem now.
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Are you planning on sabotaging their Hellcannon factories?
 
BoneyM said:
Military outposts. It's very likely to be a sightseeing tour, but some sort of opportunity might arise.
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Aww. It's been years since we inflicted a campaign of assassination and terror on rat-things. Positively nostalgic.
SaltyWaffles said:
That's....huh. Actually a good idea. It would be Qretch's magnum opus, and something he would actually likely be willing to do, given the simple logic that the Chaos Dwarves are a shared enemy, and the Skaven (purely hypothetically) might even approve of helping one of their enemies better fight a more frustrating and eternal enemy.
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Pretty sure Qrech declared his intent to achieve immortality through publishing a book on this very subject.
 
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Question is how much gold did Mathilde bring on this Expedition? It doesn't seem prudent to bring vasts amount of wealth on a dangerous journey where the only people you might spend it with are Chaos Dwarves and Chaos-worshipping nomads.
 
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