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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Whats the chances that other characters reclaim Karak Vlag by the time we come back from the Karag Dum expedition?
edit1- if we ignore now and simply send info.
edit2-Karak Dum -Karag Dum
 
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I'm not sure if it would be worthwhile, but as I recall the local Elven population (what was that group called?) had experts in Waystone matters, right?
 
chocolote12 said:
I don't think that Boney's response to this:

Specified a proximity to Karag Dum. Do you think it'd be possible for us to just interfere with it outside their front door, instead? Messing with the Waystone at hand, rather than hoping that messing with a waystone upstream would do it, as it were.
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My take from BoneyM's replies is that it's very possible, if difficult, for one/multiple of our accompanying wizards to start using up all that magic and cut of Vlag's supply. The problem as I see it with this otherwise very viable approach is that
1) Those wizards need to maintain that channeling for days
2) Everyone else needs to be ready to fend of a major, angry daemon response over the course of those same days.

The second point is the one I'm least worried about, if only because "forcing your enemies to attack your prefortified position" is the kind of thing that Dawi generals dream about, but "least worried" isn't the same as "not worried." It's still a major battle, and one we might not win. Very high risk, high reward. The accompanying wizards maintaining the magic drain for the same length of time is much more up in the air to me, though if it's possible to do, a large number of wizards being lead by a Lady Magister specifically skilled in the leading of multiple wizards channeling magic does seem like the closest to optimal circumstances we're likely to get.

Bottom line: I think this plan is extremely workable, even ideal, but I don't know if the expedition has the forces to pull it off - or only almost enough forces to pull it off. I also don't know if Borek would go for it.
 
Lightwhispers said:
This- one of the Tempter's other epithets is "the Excessive".

Regarding the "what do" vote, one thing to make note of is that we don't have the forces to fight a major battle - if we do force the Karak back into the real world, it will still be a daemon-infested warren of tunnels, which we won't have a map for. And our forces are very much not optimized for fighting underground.
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Let's not forget that they may be able to shift the Karak back with us inside it :ninja:
When we go inside we want to be absudelutely certain we won't have a Warp vacation.

Also my headcanon is now that a few Slayers are going to follow Mathilde around cos "that's where there's interesting times".
 
I really think we should block the incoming legs of the Waystone network. Even if it doesn't cause Vlag to rematerialise, it will hopefully significantly inconvenience the daemons as it cuts off their power supply.
 
@BoneyM
Just some preliminary questions on resources to apply to the problem:
Do we have any powerstones or ?I guess? AV to burn on high-power solutions?
If this is Daemon magic it would probably involve a lot of Dhar, do we think that the secrets of the liber mortis hold any potential in getting a dhar spell that we can't see, the only part of it that we can see is the power feed, to collapse on itself? Possibly by inserting a disruptive packet of dhar into the power feed and letting it get sucked in to the spell?
Do we think our knowledge of waystones can be used to cut the power feed? Or could it be used to cut the power feed after reaching Dum?
Are any of the other expedition wizards worth consulting with on the matter of extradimensionally shifted spaces or Daemon magic?
 
Lightwhispers said:
It's unknown if living daemons would dissolve, since they are "intact". They may well be able to hold themselves together, despite being in the real world. All we know is that the corpses of dead ones were dissolving.
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You may have missed this comment from Boney:
BoneyM said:
If Vlag is returned to reality and it's cut off from whatever magic was keeping it in the Warp, that will start a clock on how long those daemons can remain manifested. How long would be on that clock is difficult to predict, but it's probably measured in days.
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Based on everything, I think I will support the Clog the Waystone plan when the moratorium ends. We'll probably have to spend AP on future weeks looking for the damn Waystone, but hopefully it'll be fine.
 
Narasan said:
Clogging and channeling away would not be permanent,right?
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Channeling is almost definitely not permanent, I think it's comparable to lowering the pressure in a pipe. When he stops doing it, it would return to normal.

Clogging should last longer... but the clogged waystone might have other consequences, like Dhar coalescing into warpstone and attracting beastmen/skaven.
 
guyfromtheplace1 said:
Do we have any powerstones or ?I guess? AV to burn on high-power solutions?
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One power stone, no AV.

guyfromtheplace1 said:
If this is Daemon magic it would probably involve a lot of Dhar, do we think that the secrets of the liber mortis hold any potential in getting a dhar spell that we can't see, the only part of it that we can see is the power feed, to collapse on itself? Possibly by inserting a disruptive packet of dhar into the power feed and letting it get sucked in to the spell?
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It's not using Dhar, it's using pure Warp energy.

guyfromtheplace1 said:
Do we think our knowledge of waystones can be used to cut the power feed? Or could it be used to cut the power feed after reaching Dum?
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Yes.

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Are any of the other expedition wizards worth consulting with on the matter of extradimensionally shifted spaces or Daemon magic?
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No to the former, hopefully not for the latter.

storryeater said:
Do you mean irreverible? Or was what I sad about Mathilde cutting them off different from clogging?
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No, reversible. The clog is not exactly temporary, it will last until someone reverses it.
 
Well. That's certainly an interesting outcome. And if we're very lucky, we might even be able to do something about this with just the resources we have on hand!
 
I have to say I don't like the idea of permanently damaging the network in the hopes of maybe cutting off the effect. There might be a better way that could be found with study. Having Mathilda do it could also be dangerous.

It sounds like this calls for a whole lot of wizards and a proper army to figure things out and resolve it before a demon army spills into Kislev one day. They can do whatever they need to do to undo the effect properly, and then hold off the demons until they expire.
 
Horium said:
And yet, Mathilde failed to even notice Grombrindal.

I am very certain that Mathilde wouldn't notice anything, it's just not the QM's style.
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Well, I seem to have some egg on my face.

I was very wrong regarding Karak Vlag, and I am glad for it. I was wrong about Mathilde's capabilities and quest possibilities and others were right.

These last couple of updates were exhilarating.

Now I'll go and eat a humble pie.

Hopefully there's some honey in the cupboard left.
 
I really want to bring Karag Vlag back if only for the sheer memetic hilarity.
"We sent Mathilde to reclaim one Hold. She came back with two." "I left Mathilde alone in charge of half Karag Eight peaks for a day. I came back to all eight."
 
Have all the wizards present each grab their strand of color magic from the power flow and burn it on irrelevant spells?
 
TaliesinSkye said:
I have to say I don't like the idea of permanently damaging the network in the hopes of maybe cutting off the effect. There might be a better way that could be found with study. Having Mathilda do it could also be dangerous.

It sounds like this calls for a whole lot of wizards and a proper army to figure things out and resolve it before a demon army spills into Kislev one day. They can do whatever they need to do to undo the effect properly, and then hold off the demons until they expire.
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We may not have time. Slaanesh knows dwarfs, it knows they will be coming so it will try to kill Vlag faster and we don't know how the defenders are holding (the fact that the dark god was 'busy' is a good sign but that is it).
 
[ ] Yes ' I can send to letter to Jade Order and the runesmith's guild (DF), they both have the skills and motivation to deal with an Waystone ritual like this without risking long term damage. and could work with a throng to retake it in time. but right now we don't have the time or manpower.'

is this a ok one @BoneyM? its leveraging all the good will we have been working towards with both the college and the dwarfs.

an 'only mathy can do' thing so to speak.
 
I'm not sure that we want to clog the waystone right now. We don't have the forces in place to guard it (or the surrounding lands) against the inevitable reprisal.
 
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