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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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JamesShazbond said:
1. I don't see why Transformation of Kadon would be uniquely immune to dispelling.
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It's not that the spell is immune to dispelling, it's just that it's not a constant magical effect. The Transformation is an instant one effect to change them into a dragon, and then They're permanently a dragon until another spell turns them back. So essentially there would be nothing to dispel when we hit him, because the magic is done and gone by then.

Although it does occur to me that we've always worried about what to do when Dragomas turns into a dragon—at least in context of this hypothetical fight—and not on how difficult the obvious solution would be. Namely, counter spelling the fucker when he tries to cast his Transformation. Mathilde is really good at counter spelling, after all, and Battlemagic is hard enough to keep under control without active interference.

Or at least, I don't remember counterspelling ever being mentioned. I might have just missed it.
 
I believe "force of a cannonball to the face" is an effective counterspell technique.

More seriously, I think one of the storyline traits was in counterspelling, wasn't it?
As it stands, Mathilde has an edge against Waaagh and Necromancy, where she is at (+48) better-than-previous-Amethyst-Patriarch levels (+40). But, not generally enhanced counterspelling beyond what her sensitive Windsight permits her to notice, I don't think.
 
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Alliterate said:
I believe "force of a cannonball to the face" is an effective counterspell technique.

More seriously, I think one of the storyline traits was in counterspelling, wasn't it?
As it stands, Mathilde has an edge against Waaagh, and Necromancy, where she is at (+48) better-than-previous-Amethyst-Patriarch levels (+40). But, not generally enhanced counterspelling beyond what her sensitive Windsight permits her to notice, I don't think.
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We could pick "Magical duelist" or something like that, which was a general-purpose counterspelling bonus, but we didn't.
 
Transformation of Kadon being permanent has unpleasant setting implications, like why every faction with access to Lore of Beasts isn't swimming in dragons. Under this paradigm, being able to turn random peasants/brays into army killing monstrosities is basically a nuke.
 
JamesShazbond said:
Transformation of Kadon being permanent has unpleasant setting implications, like why every faction with access to Lore of Beasts isn't swimming in dragons. Under this paradigm, being able to turn random peasants/brays into army killing monstrosities is basically a nuke.
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The spell transforms the caster, not a third party. The anti-Cython monolith went into the pretty major ways trying to mass-produce dragons can go terribly wrong.
 
@BoneyM, all this talk of Dragons adapting to the world has got me wondering what's happening to us. We're attuning our soul to a Wind too, after all. Do Wizards suffer if they're completely isolated from their Wind for long enough?
I can't imagine that this situation happens often (unless you get imprisoned by Kragg somehow), so maybe we don't know anything about it.

I wish we knew more about why Dragons need to adapt... Unfortunately, that sounds like the kind of secret that's only known to a rare few elves (and possibly a Cathayan or two). Ah well, I guess that we can't know everything.
 
Hypothetical Mathilde-Dragomas duel looks like a kind of a quickdraw-contest to me: whoever manages to cast first, wins, whether is Dragomas going full dragon or Mathilde teleportstriking with Branulhune.

Or just Mathilde teleporting up to the Staff of Volans and grabbing it, in case of a colleges leadership duel. Given that taking hold of it and its allegedly godlike statboosts is officially considered winning, if I remeber correctly. Really, that additio to the rules makes the duel ridiculously easy for the greys to win - luckily for the rest of the colleges, our college doesn't seem that entusiastic about the whole Magister Patriarchship.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@BoneyM, all this talk of Dragons adapting to the world has got me wondering what's happening to us. We're attuning our soul to a Wind too, after all. Do Wizards suffer if they're completely isolated from their Wind for long enough?
I can't imagine that this situation happens often (unless you get imprisoned by Kragg somehow), so maybe we don't know anything about it.
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Part of Mathilde's soul is made of Ulgu instead of whatever it is souls are usually made of, so it's impossible to cut her off entirely without tearing out those parts.

Kornet said:
Or just Mathilde teleporting up to the Staff of Volans and grabbing it, in case of a colleges leadership duel. Given that taking hold of it and its allegedly godlike statboosts is officially considered winning, if I remeber correctly. Really, that additio to the rules makes the duel ridiculously easy for the greys to win - luckily for the rest of the colleges, our college doesn't seem that entusiastic about the whole Magister Patriarchship.
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Grabbing the staff isn't a win on its own, it just usually leads to the other party conceding because of said boosts.
 
BoneyM said:
Grabbing the staff isn't a win on its own, it just usually leads to the other party conceding because of said boosts.
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If it wasn't a political thing about earning the respect and allegiance of the Colleges, a Grey could grab the staff, then book it and wait until everyone else has let down their guard. High level wizards wouldn't be without a counter to stealth, but it would still skew things.

But then the other colleges would just say "We don't accept this" and it would lead nowhere. The person in question might even get the Grey College after them because it gets everyone else pissed at them.
 
BurnNote said:
If it wasn't a political thing about earning the respect and allegiance of the Colleges, a Grey could grab the staff, then book it and wait until everyone else has let down their guard. High level wizards wouldn't be without a counter to stealth, but it would still skew things.

But then the other colleges would just say "We don't accept this" and it would lead nowhere. The person in question might even get the Grey College after them because it gets everyone else pissed at them.
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Well, that's where social pressure for certain actors not to compete enters the political equation. Without it, the line of MPs would probably look much different, with, say, a lot more Amethists in it.

With Mathilde, while I personally do want her to take up the Magister Matriarch job (Being a part of the Emperor's council, who all have very Divided Loyalties (tm) and in the same time being the straight woman of the grand Ranaldian conspiracy, moderating over over-enthusiastic empress, juggling lies, loyalties and responsibilities - hell yeah, I'd enjoy that), I don't see Mathilde going for it outside of some very specific circumstances - namely, an umbearable superior in college hierarchy. So while Dragomas and Algard are up and running, I really don't think we'll compete.
 
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Kornet said:
Well, that's where social pressure for certain actors not to compete enters the political equation. Without it, the line of MPs would probably look much different, with, say, a lot more Amethists in it.

With Mathilde, while I personally do want her to take up the Magister Matriarch job (Being a part of the Emperor's council, who all have very Divided Loyalties (tm) and in the same time being the straight woman of the grand Ranaldian conspiracy, moderating over over-enthusiastic empress, juggling lies, loyalties and responsibilities - hell yeah, I'd enjoy that), I don't see Mathilde going for it outside of some very specific circumstances - namely, an umbearable superior in college hierarchy. So while Dragomas and Algard are up and running, I really don't think we'll compete.
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Eh, I wouldn't vote for contesting the job even then. We've got our safe space in K8P with unbreakable super-friendship to its King, if we don't like our superiors we can just take our ball and go there, wait their term of office out. Any Magister Matriarch/Patriarch is going to be busy with a ton of Empire problems, they won't bother us out in the Badlands.
 
Ah so it's the time for a new round of Mathilde is the "bestest and the smartest"?

I hate it when thread madness swings that way.

i'll be back in a couple days, hopefully this madness passes or an update drops in the meantime.
 
I'd rather be concerned about Reiner Starke succeeding Algard before we can look towards the Supreme Patriarch.
 
Chronic said:
Eh, I wouldn't vote for contesting the job even then. We've got our safe space in K8P with unbreakable super-friendship to its King, if we don't like our superiors we can just take our ball and go there, wait their term of office out. Any Magister Matriarch/Patriarch is going to be busy with a ton of Empire problems, they won't bother us out in the Badlands.
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I believe we just have different priorities. I do not argue that Mathilde taking thatvpositiin is good for Mathilde. Or Empire. Or the colleges.

It is good for my entertainment though, and that is the only point I really care about it.
 
Asheram said:
I'd rather be concerned about Reiner Starke succeeding Algard before we can look towards the Supreme Patriarch.
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Yeah, this is sadly the case. Our disdain for Sigmar trait kind of forces us to oppose him, even though I don't think he'd be a bad Grey Patriarch at all. He's been pretty accomodating to us.

We should seriously consider buying the Disdain trait off should we survive this expedition and get more trait picks.

Kornet said:
I believe we just have different priorities. I do not argue that Mathilde taking thatvpositiin is good for Mathilde. Or Empire. Or the colleges.

It is good for my entertainment though, and that is the only point I really care about it.
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Eh, personally I think being Magister Matriarch would be the ultimate in anti-fun. I don't think we'll have any time left to do fun research or glorious expeditions should we accept the position, it will be putting out one fire after the other with our AP. That's a hard nope for me.

[x] Act normal
[x] Stand your ground
 
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Chronic said:
Eh, I wouldn't vote for contesting the job even then. We've got our safe space in K8P with unbreakable super-friendship to its King, if we don't like our superiors we can just take our ball and go there, wait their term of office out. Any Magister Matriarch/Patriarch is going to be busy with a ton of Empire problems, they won't bother us out in the Badlands.
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Different strokes for different folks and all that.

but even a sizeable part of the 'don't ever leave k8p' faction as a 'unless we become Matriarch' clause in their contract.

so ya, there is a lot of people who are interested in mathy getting the final rank at some point.
 
BoneyM said:
Harmony is only required if you want to make it fail in a specific way. If you just want to disrupt it as hard as you can, coming at it from a bunch of directions at once would actually be more effective
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Well, if we have better odds of disrupting it with help than we do here...

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It definitely thinks we haven't noticed it because that is what it's defenses are designed for, so if we leave it will only see what it expects to see: us leaving in confusion because stone is a magical insulator.
 
Chronic said:
Yeah, this is sadly the case. Our disdain for Sigmar trait kind of forces us to oppose him, even though I don't think he'd be a bad Grey Patriarch at all. He's been pretty accomodating to us.

We should seriously consider buying the Disdain trait off should we survive this expedition and get more trait picks.
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Nah, the man is more Witch Hunter than Wizard. He's a zealot and should be opposed on principle.
Also, I quite enjoy the Disdain for Sigmar trait. It brings a lot of flavor to our character.
 
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