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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Andres110 said:
Whatever it is you plan to fight or attack or deal with. What do you think you're blowing the horn for? To add more eyeballs to stare at dead stone? No, it's so they can fight whatever horrible gribbly we plan to reveal.
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I don't think we know nearly enough to raise and alarm all the way to Kragg. Telling the people we are on an expedition with that there is something odd going on should not be on the same scale as 'call Kragg the Grimm, Call Dragons, all the Runelords and Lord Magisters and Teclis for an encore'. That is why I voted 'stand ground' to figure out what the hell this is beyond vague theories of 'too much magic in one place'.
 
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Andres110 said:
I will repeat myself because it is necessary to do so.
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And I will repeat myself, if we send for help to the college, it's not teclic that's coming, it would be a Lord Magister, but a Lord magister is already there.

I am not saying we should not sent a letter. just that we would likely get a letter back saying. 'Your the best person for the job that isn't dealing with another crisis.'
 
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Andres110 said:
Whatever it is you plan to fight or attack or deal with. What do you think you're blowing the horn for? To add more eyeballs to stare at dead stone? No, it's so they can fight whatever horrible gribbly we plan to reveal.
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There are some scenarios where assuming that is true, it is still a bad idea:

1. The scale of magic being output is so massive such that Kragg nor any character would not be able to do anything - Its on a scale of magic above Cataclysm.
2. The ritual need not be cast in some arbitrary long period of time, but has simply been charging up and can be cast on some reasonably short timeframe (say, days), and Kragg/Teclis/etc would arrive in too long a time to change the outcome. Basically no time.
3. (Teclis) We have no means of reaching them.
4. There are attackers who can easily take down a lone gyrocopter with whomever is inside them,that would otherwise not target a big expedition.
5. They might have other responsibilities on a similar/greater scale and/or not want to come.
 
Andres110 said:
This thing has been over a century in the making. Taking a few days or weeks to get reinforcements will not give it meaningfully more time to do its workings but it can absolutely change whether or not we can actually end the threat.
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Unless Borek cancels the expedition, we are the only ones on the job. The pass here will be clear for literally only weeks to get a god to move the weather for us. We have neither the time nor the supplies nor the speed of travel necessary to get assistance and neither Borek nor the Ice Witches are going to accept canceling.

There is no higher authority on magic to be invoked. The buck stops here
 
Also as an important note, they may or may not decide to throw a century of stored magic at us.

But thats not the point of the reaction time argument.
Time we spend running for a mile back to the landships is time that a Chaos Sorceror or Daemon can untangle its mind from whatever its doing with the magic to deploy a reaction force even if it doesn't decide to just throw the nuke at us.

The biggest danger when performing high energy magic is somebody jostling your elbow before you can either ground it safely,park it in a holding pattern enough to do something else at all, or complete it. Which means Mathilde gets those critical minutes picking away at the magic to disrupt, drain or dispel it while the enemy has to muster up a force that can get past Asarnil.
 
We do not know enough to make an accurate judgement on what is going on, and consequently, what is the appropriate path to take.
 
veekie said:
Also as an important note, they may or may not decide to throw a century of stored magic at us.

But thats not the point of the reaction time argument.
Time we spend running for a mile back to the landships is time that a Chaos Sorceror or Daemon can untangle its mind from whatever its doing with the magic to deploy a reaction force even if it doesn't decide to just throw the nuke at us.

The biggest danger when performing high energy magic is somebody jostling your elbow before you can either ground it safely, or complete it. Which means Mathilde gets those critical minutes picking away at the magic to disrupt, drain or dispel it while the enemy has to muster up a force that can get past Asarnil.
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While true, it is also worth noting that there's a few tons of mountain between Mathilde and whoevers doing this.

And unfortunately, stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
 
Whatever we pick this information needs to be shared with the Colleges' Leadership at the earliest opportunity.

That much Chaos aligned magical power being thrown around this far south justifies a full mobilisation of the Colleges and potentially the wider Empire. Whatever it is, it needs to be shut down ASAP and we cannot risk the information dying with us.
 
veekie said:
Also as an important note, they may or may not decide to throw a century of stored magic at us.
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If only.
The spellburner rune might be able to handle that much magic, so long as it was all in one spell.

But no, I don't think this will be anything as simple as a Daemon, this setup is going to turn out to have been the work of Teclis, so as to present us a moral conundrum.
 
DragonParadox said:
Not saying he is bad at wizardry, but being able to turn into an Emperor Dragon is kind of a duel ender, he does not need more to keep his position in most cases.
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Being able to turn into an Emperor Dragon at all is rather tricky magic.

Besides if he was bad at it for the LM tier he'd either get his transformation spell dispelled before he could finish it or he'd get hit with BM or even Cataclysm tier spells from his opponents.

FriedIce said:
Whatever we pick this information needs to be shared with the wider colleges at the earliest opportunity.

That much Chaos aligned magical power being thrown around this far south justifies a full mobilisation of the Colleges and potentially the wider Empire. Whatever it is, it needs to be shut down ASAP and we cannot risk the information dying with us.
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Unless we can deal with whatever this is right now we ought to get a College or Dawi taskforce to guard the pass.
 
DragonParadox said:
Not saying he is bad at wizardry, but being able to turn into an Emperor Dragon is kind of a duel ender, he does not need more to keep his position in most cases.
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The things is: he doesn't just know a suped up 'turn to dragon' spell.

he made the super dragon spell. The same way mathy made rite of way.

so he is the guy who made the strongest spell current known to the colleges.
 
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