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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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That is because Volans was talking about watching Teclis casting high magic chocolote12 of course that would look like a nova. We need to remember that we are working off of information that comes from multiple sources some that are unreliable at best. We are getting ahead of ourselves when talking about most of this stuff because we have not done any research.

Their are several reasons why we would have an easier time showing a dwarf rune smith the juice then we would having a elf mage look at it. One distance the only elf we know that likes us and we might be able to trust with the secret is in exile so we would have to tell a good many people in the collages the secret to get a hold of the right kind of elf. Second we have contacts among the dwarfs that go almost to the top or the very top in the case of Kragg. If we do well and survive this campaign to take the eight peaks we should get enough favor with the dwarfs that we could ask the best rune smith living to look at our snake juice. Remember the only order magic users older and more experience then that grim old dwarf are the frog biorobots known as Slan. Lastly we can trust the dwarfs honor to keep our secret and that they would not try to take from us for our own good like a high elf might.
 
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Kornet said:
For all we know, it might be unstable as fuck, waiting only for a magical punch to loose self-containment and turn into Dhar. Or it is otherwise hard or dangerous to work with.

The point is, we don't know exactly what it is as we never experimented on it, and I find the discussion more or less pointless until we make initial forays into snake juice.
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When it spilled out our desk, it pooled before evaporating (presumably back to the immaterium) apparently without further effect.

Also, yay my phrase got thread-tagged!
Alliterate said:
Brave Mathilde best Mathilde.
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Stewart9 said:
Remember the only order magic users older and more experience then that grim old dwarf are the frog biorobots known as Slan.
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The Everqueen entity is substantially older (and much stranger), as it predates the first Chaos incursion. Some of the Loremasters may be as well.

Alliterate said:
When it spilled out our desk, it pooled before evaporating (presumably back to the immaterium) apparently without further effect.
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I think we were told it evaporated back into the Winds of Magic.

The implication is that we can use the snake blood as a battery. If we want the Amber and Jade Lores to be usable underground, for example, or in a desolate location with no life, we just need to spill the liquid.
 
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Well, we will never know what the snake juice is, or more importantly how it can be utilised to our benefit, unless we study it.
 
You know I'm really looking forward to showing up in Stirland again once we're done here.
Imagine Roswita Having to put up with all the stories about us being her father's lover, including the way we fought off an entire mod of skeletons to try to save her.

She's barely managed to get rid of those rumors, and find semidecent council replacements.

Then we show up in town wearing her father's hat.
 
NavySeel said:
You know I'm really looking forward to showing up in Stirland again once we're done here.
Imagine Roswita Having to put up with all the stories about us being her father's lover, including the way we fought off an entire mod of skeletons to try to save her.

She's barely managed to get rid of those rumors, and find semidecent council replacements.

Then we show up in town wearing her father's hat.
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No, no.
It'll be years since we were there. She's finally gotten everyone to shut up about all that, and it's been mostly forgotten by the nobility's rumor mill. Everything is fine on that front.
And then we turn up with loot and glory from a great victory against the foes of Man, wearing her dad's hat and hanging around her lands (because we'll be improving our own lands thanks to our dwarf rep, right? Better Niter factory and such?). We probably won't actually go to meet her, but we certainly will be meeting a few important people (our friends, for one thing). But when a spymaster turns up, meets important people and starts throwing money around, it's not exactly a good sign...
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
No, no.
It'll be years since we were there. She's finally gotten everyone to shut up about all that, and it's been mostly forgotten by the nobility's rumor mill. Everything is fine on that front.
And then we turn up with loot and glory from a great victory against the foes of Man, wearing her dad's hat and hanging around her lands (because we'll be improving our own lands thanks to our dwarf rep, right? Better Niter factory and such?). We probably won't actually go to meet her, but we certainly will be meeting a few important people (our friends, for one thing). But when a spymaster turns up, meets important people and starts throwing money around, it's not exactly a good sign...
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Or we could go into hiding, doing research and occasionally meeting with our friends and the steward in charge of our land.

Then one day right when she's about to lose a battle to the next von Carstein we swoop in and save the day.
 
NavySeel said:
Or we could go into hiding, doing research and occasionally meeting with our friends and the steward in charge of our land.

Then one day right when she's about to lose a battle to the next von Carstein we swoop in and save the day.
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Even better: we save the day in a single spell, unmaking the undead hordes with the lore of Nagash. Like that famous Sigmar priest guy.
Of course, we don't exactly share his faith or political approval of the new woman in charge...
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
No, no.
It'll be years since we were there. She's finally gotten everyone to shut up about all that, and it's been mostly forgotten by the nobility's rumor mill. Everything is fine on that front.
And then we turn up with loot and glory from a great victory against the foes of Man, wearing her dad's hat and hanging around her lands (because we'll be improving our own lands thanks to our dwarf rep, right? Better Niter factory and such?). We probably won't actually go to meet her, but we certainly will be meeting a few important people (our friends, for one thing). But when a spymaster turns up, meets important people and starts throwing money around, it's not exactly a good sign...
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Don't forget the occasional Dwarf convoy swinging by to pick up the Niter, raving about how "That Umgi wizard did more to help us then the entire Empire, bunch of Unbaraki...."
 
Night_stalker said:
Don't forget the occasional Dwarf convoy swinging by to pick up the Niter, raving about how "That Umgi wizard did more to help us then the entire Empire, bunch of Unbaraki...."
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Also the halflings will probably really like us after two campaigns with them and we help them gain a new homeland.

Which would be hilarious considering she apparently is of the opinion that the Moot should be part of Stirland.
 
Night_stalker said:
Don't forget the occasional Dwarf convoy swinging by to pick up the Niter, raving about how "That Umgi wizard did more to help us then the entire Empire, bunch of Unbaraki...."
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I like hyping up Mathilde as much as the next guy, but we're not going to put in more work than two entire knight orders. We're not going to put in more work than 20,000 crossbowmen and assorted umgi, either.
 
Except there isn't any formal Empire Umgi presence in the force. A bit of a technicality, given the Moot contribution, the various knightly Orders etc, but the Empire leadership itself sent nothing.
Hmm. Rather like when Van Hal asked...
 
Would the Dwarves really see the difference? Most of the army is from the Empire. As a whole, Sigmar's heirs have really come through for the Dwarves here.

As an example, Mathilde is an agent of the Empire. Her presence is an official Imperial contribution, because the Colleges are a major Imperial institution.
 
Alliterate said:
Except there isn't any formal Empire Umgi presence in the force. A bit of a technicality, given the Moot contribution, the various knightly Orders etc, but the Empire leadership itself sent nothing.
Hmm. Rather like when Van Hal asked...
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The Empire itself hasn't really been good to us in this quest, and is honestly looking like a complete mess.

Add to that the fact that Mathilde follows Ranald and you have a recipe for some interesting times ahead.

Yes she swore an oath the the empire, but is the empire the same thing as its current leadership.
 
Alratan said:
Would the Dwarves really see the difference? Most of the army is from the Empire. As a whole, Sigmar's heirs have really come through for the Dwarves here.

As an example, Mathilde is an agent of the Empire. Her presence is an official Imperial contribution, because the Colleges are a major Imperial institution.
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I think Belegar would, given he was at the fractious Elector Meet that devolved into arguments which was supposed to discuss Empire support for his venture. He reportedly left in disgust, as I recall, and issued his open invitation that brought in the adventurers, ex-Stirlanders, etc.

Mathilde reported of her own accord, representing herself, she isn't representing the combined Colleges.
BoneyM said:
"I'm here to offer my services," you reply, and his eyebrows furrow.

"And on who's behalf?" he asks, his eyes boring into you.

"My own," you reply shortly, "as Dame Mathilde Weber, Magister of the Grey Order."
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Belegar has no reason to feel favourable towards the Empire as an institution or its leadership.
 
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veekie said:
Representing the Grey Order actually.
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That's not what she said, or how I read it. She introduced herself by her titles, which is perfectly reasonable. But she is offering her services on her own behalf.

Difference between <insert sportsball player for sportsball team here> appearing at a charity event of their own volition, and <sportsball player appearing officially as directed by their team as a representative>. Relevant amongst other things to where the primary kudos and Rep goes.
 
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Alliterate said:
That's not what she said, or how I read it. She introduced herself by her titles, which is perfectly reasonable. But she is offering her services on her own behalf.

Difference between <insert sportsball player for sportsball team here> appearing at a charity event of their own volition, and <sportsball player appearing officially as directed by their team as a representative>. Relevant amongst other things to where the primary kudos and Rep goes.
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Literally
BoneyM said:
How will you present yourself to Belegar Ironhammer?
[X] As a representative of the Grey Order, here to lend a hand where it can be of most use.
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We are here as Mathilde Master/Magister of the Grey Order. As per guild hierarchies, we're here on their behalf
 
veekie said:
Literally

We are here as Mathilde Master/Magister of the Grey Order. As per guild hierarchies, we're here on their behalf
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I quoted the exact words Mathilde used to Belegar above. Whatever the intent, the words he heard were "My own" (...and here are my titles/credentials).

I don't really see why you'd call this out anyway, unless you think it somehow invalidates the point that Belegar has no reason to thank Empire institutions for their negligible-at-best contributions? Even if we were the officially assigned representative of the Grey Order to the Expedition, we're not the Wizard equivalent of Kragg.

Edit: Mathilde representing herself is in fact a good thing, if accumulating Dwarf Rep is a goal.
 
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Alliterate said:
Whatever the intent, the words he heard were "My own".
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You're severely missing the point. Mathilde is here as a Magister, which is a Master of her trade guild in dwarf interpretation. Just as someone showing up in their capacity as "Master Engineer of Zhufbar" is acting as representative of the Engineer's Guild of Zhufbar.

If we were to show up as represenative of Stirland we'd be naming ourselves Dame Mathilde of Stirland. If we were to show up in our private capacity, we'd be identifying ourselves as "Mathilde Weber"

This is important because we literally voted to represent the Grey Order dude.
 
We also voted to be 'a wanderer'
We used 'Dame' title despite no intentions to represent Stirland. It's our title, like Magister of the Grey Order. There is also a difference between representing your Guild in the exercise of your trade- as in if you do shoddy work it will reflect badly on them- and being an officially appointed delegate of your Guild to, say, some cross-Guild negotiations. I'd contend we are the former (in most everything we do) but we most certainly are not the latter.
And... whatever the vote was, our words were as I stated. But I don't think we're going to convince each other so I'm dropping it here.
 
Imperial wizards, particularly of the Grey College, aren't free agents. Compare it to an army officer showing up to help another nation's army.

The Colleges aren't equivilent to trade guilds, they're part of the Imperial central government.
 
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