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Funny, as someone who is autistic I absolutely hate people walking on the eggshells of euphemism around me with vague terms like "neurodivergent".
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Yeah okay I've edited that part out, "one of those autistic savants" is indeed weird wording.
Although I'm not apologising, according to all current social convention, you're allowed to make offcolor statements and jokes about generalized groups if you yourself belong in said group.
Yeah that kinda is vaguely worse then just being called the r-word. Cuse atleast people who call you that are either upfront on what they think of you or are clearly joking.
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This is an uncomfortable portrayal of a complex mental health issue. It's also a sadly common one thanks to Hollywood. Autism is not super-genius X at the cost of social competence. It can involve a whole range of potential mental conditions that are made even more complex by the environment that shapes the person in question. Reducing anyone to a one-trick pony under any circumstances is bad character design, adding in a real world mental health condition makes it worse.
I hope this is not coming off too harshly, trying to give constructive criticism.
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Third and Premonition give one re-roll. Unless you only intend to make a single roll in combat, casting time matters.
It's not a good thing to ask many questions to the GM. Make sure you only ask a modest amount of questions to avoid annoyance.
In general yeah, but in forums specifically it's unacceptable. You're not allowed to say the n word on SV even if you're black.
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I was basically grasping for a realistic way as to how a 8th year old could have a magic score of 7, without making the character even more ridiculous then Balthasar Gelt.
Oh no it's okay as someone who has autism myself I'm well aware it's not really how autism works, this is literally just a joke character stemmed from the idea, Rainman except lul he's a wizard now.
I was basically grasping for a realistic way as to how a 8th year old could have a magic score of 7, without making the character even more ridiculous then Balthasar Gelt.
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On apprentices, I'm not sure why people seem to be fixating on their race or disabilities as standout features.
Mathilde is a woman of many hats, and one of the key points of apprentices is that they have decent chances of picking up their Master's paradigm. So which parts of Mathilde's paradigm do we want them to build on?
-Being a warrior? This would be her Shadowsteed, Aethyric Armor, Shadow Melee Knife, and soon to be single-weapon-specialist Grandmaster sworder.
--This is also one root of her Warrior of Fog traitline, she thinks like a soldier and then as a commander.
Down this route we might well wind up with an Ulrican Grey Wizard Apprentice.
-Being basically an open Ranaldite? It certainly colors a lot of Mathilde's activities, she's deeply pious in a mountain hermit way, and while not behind any particular spell, its the MOOD, of being a risk taker and liar, yet honorable and true to allies.
--This is another root of Warrior of Fog, Ranaldite mode of thought as applied to wielding an army like a dagger, of being known in the right ways and unknown in the right ways. Of being well placed to take advantage of chance.
Covert Ranald Cult intensifies.
-Of being an enchanter? Mathilde is genuinely good at this stuff, she just hadn't spent a lot of time on it. Now that things have calmed down a bit, working with an apprentice to further the process of forcing magic into permanent patterns could be fascinating.
--This overlaps with the below analytical trait.
This plays well with researcher traits, analyzing strange phenomenon, then turning them into usable creations or at least exotic papers.
-Of being methodical and analytical with regards to Ulgu rather than mystical and metaphorical. Mathilde's view on Ulgu is in terms of probabilistics and known unknowns, whereas much of the existing spellbook builds off metaphors and free association.
--This overlaps a lot with her enchanting process.
This could be anything from working with an Ulgu-Johann to a scientist type.
-Of being a moneymancer? Of turning chance moments into buttloads of gold and silver? This builds off Regimand's own inherited habits, though its in the backseat much lately, it was Mathilde-as-Spymaster. Information and connections flow alongside gold.
This would be tricky because you don't particularly WANT your apprentices to think they should start testing the limits of the Vow of Poverty. But on the other hand any apprentice working with Mathilde would probably learn about the power of LoadsAMoney fairly quickly when she buys a book worth a small house for research purposes, or works in a workshop with components from three different continents and two different tech trees.
And then you have the higher level stuff which builds off multiple of these bases in no clear manner.
For the Grey College at least, you can choose to stop advancing anytime after learning to control your magic. And thats where the career tiers are at, Perpetuals engage in no risks, and know little magic, Journeymen have committed into leaving the nest and braving the world, but could simply settle down somewhere if they wanted.
Many who make it to Magister could opt to settle down to be a full time academic with tenure if they wanted.
So I think in most cases, risks are frontloaded - you need to take a lot of risks early in your career so that you establish your own paradigm while still malleable, as we've seen, lesser traits are picked up really fast early in your career, but slow down or need much greater risks later on.
Once you make Magister, you essentially already have an effective paradigm, and incremental improvement upon that paradigm via research is useful.
But by contrast, a Journeyman or lower just plain isn't going to get anywhere in developing stuff via research, they lack the traits for it unless they want to spend literal decades eking out a minor incremental improvement...or plagarize from a different faction.
Mathilde is a woman of many hats, and one of the key points of apprentices is that they have decent chances of picking up their Master's paradigm. So which parts of Mathilde's paradigm do we want them to build on?
-Being a warrior? This would be her Shadowsteed, Aethyric Armor, Shadow Melee Knife, and soon to be single-weapon-specialist Grandmaster sworder.
--This is also one root of her Warrior of Fog traitline, she thinks like a soldier and then as a commander.
Down this route we might well wind up with an Ulrican Grey Wizard Apprentice.
-Being basically an open Ranaldite? It certainly colors a lot of Mathilde's activities, she's deeply pious in a mountain hermit way, and while not behind any particular spell, its the MOOD, of being a risk taker and liar, yet honorable and true to allies.
--This is another root of Warrior of Fog, Ranaldite mode of thought as applied to wielding an army like a dagger, of being known in the right ways and unknown in the right ways. Of being well placed to take advantage of chance.
Covert Ranald Cult intensifies.
-Of being an enchanter? Mathilde is genuinely good at this stuff, she just hadn't spent a lot of time on it. Now that things have calmed down a bit, working with an apprentice to further the process of forcing magic into permanent patterns could be fascinating.
--This overlaps with the below analytical trait.
This plays well with researcher traits, analyzing strange phenomenon, then turning them into usable creations or at least exotic papers.
-Of being methodical and analytical with regards to Ulgu rather than mystical and metaphorical. Mathilde's view on Ulgu is in terms of probabilistics and known unknowns, whereas much of the existing spellbook builds off metaphors and free association.
--This overlaps a lot with her enchanting process.
This could be anything from working with an Ulgu-Johann to a scientist type.
-Of being a moneymancer? Of turning chance moments into buttloads of gold and silver? This builds off Regimand's own inherited habits, though its in the backseat much lately, it was Mathilde-as-Spymaster. Information and connections flow alongside gold.
This would be tricky because you don't particularly WANT your apprentices to think they should start testing the limits of the Vow of Poverty. But on the other hand any apprentice working with Mathilde would probably learn about the power of LoadsAMoney fairly quickly when she buys a book worth a small house for research purposes, or works in a workshop with components from three different continents and two different tech trees.
And then you have the higher level stuff which builds off multiple of these bases in no clear manner.
Mmm, its not so clearly cut and dried I think?
For the Grey College at least, you can choose to stop advancing anytime after learning to control your magic. And thats where the career tiers are at, Perpetuals engage in no risks, and know little magic, Journeymen have committed into leaving the nest and braving the world, but could simply settle down somewhere if they wanted.
Many who make it to Magister could opt to settle down to be a full time academic with tenure if they wanted.
So I think in most cases, risks are frontloaded - you need to take a lot of risks early in your career so that you establish your own paradigm while still malleable, as we've seen, lesser traits are picked up really fast early in your career, but slow down or need much greater risks later on.
Once you make Magister, you essentially already have an effective paradigm, and incremental improvement upon that paradigm via research is useful.
But by contrast, a Journeyman or lower just plain isn't going to get anywhere in developing stuff via research, they lack the traits for it unless they want to spend literal decades eking out a minor incremental improvement...or plagarize from a different faction.
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No, not Lupus, it's never Lupus.
Spinning is a power that some may consider unnatural. But if he loves democracy like he said, then Hubert (known to his friends as "The Senate") must spin. For how else can he protecc that which loves?
Edit: @veekie Frequently, teaching others leads to the teacher learning things.
A slightly older Mathilde who has spent more AP in diplo stuff might also lean a bit more on her xeno-affinty trait in terms of 'teaching style/focus'
(But for me this is hypothetical, I'm not intersted in actually taking an apprentice)
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@xilios2000 , let me offer some advice: when you repeatedly ping the QM for very many answers to very specific questions at length, you are to some extent hogging the QM's time and acting like you want the QM to write for your specific interests rather than for the voters at large. Perhaps this explanation helps you understand that people find it annoying and want you to do less of it.
Voting closed, writing will begin shortly.
Barak Varr is already hiring someone to do so.
No, it would have to be tailored to each individual Wizard's Magesight.
It wouldn't really show up on his radar. To Elves, anything mono-Wind is baby magic, and all Elves that deal with humans much have already learned to ignore the little voice that insists that anyone under fifty is a child. So he'd be kind of blind to it. "Oh? He achieved a grasp of a single wind in his first century? I had gathered that was relatively common for the Empire's Colleges. Any trace of a second Wind? No? Well, good effort anyway."
Elves have a tendency to judge all other races on how good they are at being Elves.
Barak Varr is already hiring someone to do so.
No, it would have to be tailored to each individual Wizard's Magesight.
It wouldn't really show up on his radar. To Elves, anything mono-Wind is baby magic, and all Elves that deal with humans much have already learned to ignore the little voice that insists that anyone under fifty is a child. So he'd be kind of blind to it. "Oh? He achieved a grasp of a single wind in his first century? I had gathered that was relatively common for the Empire's Colleges. Any trace of a second Wind? No? Well, good effort anyway."
Elves have a tendency to judge all other races on how good they are at being Elves.
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Personally, it seems like the most fitting way for Mathilde to end up with an apprentice is by chance (at least in-character). Whether that be a pickpocket with a bit of magical talent who tries to rob her, a Kurgan tribe giving her a child as tribute to the woman who's obviously favored by chaos, the survivor of an attack later on, or even just some precocious young student who sets their mind toward having her as their master and manages to succeed at the impossible task she tried to brush them off with to prove themselves.
It just feels right, not the least because you know Ranald would be laughing at her the whole time.
Ericwinter
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Welp, here we are. The last stretch before our road trip into hell... and now I'm going to sleep. See y'all in the morning!
Actually this was the first of my question post that was actually that long, usually my posts are quite short, also my actual question was only a single sentence long.
And the frequency of my questions has nothing to do with ''wanting the QM write out about my specific interests'' I usually don't even post that many questions, it was only yesterday that I had a ton of technical questions, which later prompted me to make a joke, let me reiterate a JOKE about me having a ton of more questions.
I wonder if Mathilde actually has a particularly Sapherian, mathematical/intellectual outlook on magic, as opposed to the way that others in her College see it.
If so, she may be particularly suited to understanding any notes Teclis left behind.
If so, she may be particularly suited to understanding any notes Teclis left behind.
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But only if Ranald is like... poking Mathilde in the shoulder going "go onnnnn. It'll be funny, I promise" when Mathilde tells Him that she has way too much shit on her plate right now.
Probably. His tutoring seemed helpful for the first generation of the Colleges.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Well, Teclis is a genius but his magic paradigm isn't about intuitive understanding so what he can teach can be understood. He might have to teach her some of the electives that were stripped from the grey colleges original sylabus to do so but nothing Teclis knows about Ulgu is impossible to understand by Mathilde based on what BoneyM has said.
I'm not actually autistic, I just have NVLD. I still felt a bit uncomfortable at the joke, though.
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Neurodivergent doesn't mean Autistic. I'm Neurodivergent and I have ADHD. It's an umbrella term that also includes Dyslexia, Dyscalcula and other conditions. I don't get why you're saying this when the person you're replying to only ever said Neurodivergent to refer to themself.
How would we even get that though?
Going there for the 99 days and doing something so insane it travels via rumour to Teclis?
We really do need to get around to that thought. Master Assassination and Infiltration calls to me.
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Not sure if you missed it but I have one more question I'd like to repeat.
Dude, Teclis is Warhammer Dr. House as applied to magic instead of medicine. Of course he'd be ridiculously helpful as a teacher, what kind of question even is this?
Difficult to say. The non-Ulthuani Elves aren't exactly welcoming to visitors who want to study their magical traditions.
Journeymen and Perpetuals can't even access the full spell list though.
Also there's the question of magical prowess: Mathilde has sort of spoiled us in regards to typical expectations for Magisters - she got 7 Magic when she made Magister and then got to got to 8 and then 9 within 3 years. Johann - who is older than us if I remember correctly - has just recently reached a whooping Magic 7. Even Regimand - an accomplished senior magister just doesn't want to deal with Battle Magic beyond the borderline Smoke and Mirrors whilst Mathilde can cast certain BM spells without risk and is currently inventing BM spells.
It seems that going into higher tiers of Magic is really rare and the risks are frontloaded only if one wants to stay in their lane and cap their advancement (for example a Magister that just doesn't learn BM).
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Well our first forays into magic spell creation were highly mathematical, on the other hand it does seem she's diverged over time, but hopefully some of that's still sitting there and will assist when it comes time to work backwards and make the spell learnable by rote.