Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
@Guile If searching the shores is such an obviously low priority action for which we have plenty of time, why do you think it even pops up on the list of important things between which Mathilde has to decide? To lure or trick us away from actually useful stuff?
There are no trap options here. What we are deciding is what results we want to make more likely and what risks we are willing to take to do so. And I truly think that arguing again and again that one option or another is pointless and trying to discuss this based on "facts" of how something obviously can't work or has zero time pressure just takes up thought space and makes things needlessly heated.
There are no trap options here. What we are deciding is what results we want to make more likely and what risks we are willing to take to do so. And I truly think that arguing again and again that one option or another is pointless and trying to discuss this based on "facts" of how something obviously can't work or has zero time pressure just takes up thought space and makes things needlessly heated.
As long as we don't mention literal demon summoning or Warp portal opening what we risked to do to each Dwarf still seems to be better than dying of hypothermia or drowning. But I think I get your point
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I think you are taking BoneyM's expressed "no trap options" policy in a direction he has explicitly disavowed.
There can absolutely be sub-optimal options on the list, or options that are almost strictly better than other options. "Trap" means "this is the option that, for reasons you had no way of knowing, a really awful outcome inevitably lies behind."
- Location
- Aotearoa
One might also say that here we have an example of the exact opposite, in the rather heavily foreshadowed possibility of a Greenskin attack.
[X] Use your spare Power Stone to save any Dwarves left in the ship
[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind
Thinking it over. I think this is a good middle ground, we can search for clues about the culprits, while still being present for the possibility of an Ork assault.
Thinking it over. I think this is a good middle ground, we can search for clues about the culprits, while still being present for the possibility of an Ork assault.
This reminds me alot of torpedoing lusitania.
The number casuelties dont matter, the fact that dwarven ships are being targetted does.
We've done the best we could.
Take a 30 min rest, warm ourselves up, and share our finding.
No need to make this a one woman show.
We dont have metal cutting equiptment, but perhaps somebody else on the shore have it.
Then either scout around and make sure there are no hostiles or rest up
NexusEye
Aspiring God
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Edit:Answered by @ReImagined
My read of it was inverted prosopagnosia(face-blindness), instead of being unable to recognize other people's faces it's as if everyone else has a version of prosopagnosia which only applies to your face. As long as there are other cues (height, build, voice, hair color and length, clothing) they would still be able to tell it's you.
I wonder, what are they doing nowadays? They must know that she's gone up in the world, she's the most known wizard in Stirland after all. It would be an interesting unprompted social action if her parents, sibling, old friends, or nieces/nephews tried to make contact with her and try to form a social relationship with her, either trying to take advantage of her fame or genuinely trying to build bridges. Though that makes me wonder,@BoneyM, did Mathilde have any siblings before she was taken to the Grey College?Or we could summon daemons on our parents. I have trouble recalling why that would be a bad thing.
Edit: Additional question, would it be possible to tell if there's significant amounts of water in a sealed compartment by knocking on the bottom of a door/wall and hearing if it sounds like there's water or air on the other side, like how one can tell whether something is hollow or not by the sound that comes out when you knock on it?
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- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
In what way? I'm not saying that all options have the same result, or even the same "value", let alone the same risk. I'm just saying that none of them are not worth doing at face value. Every action has a chance at a benefit and probably none of those chances will be limited to 1 in 100.
Like sure, the shores might not hold any info because the ship was sunk by magic. Or the bandits might not hold any info because they were only hired to shoot at an exploding boat. Or guarding might be pointless because no enemies are actually coming to attack us. And any or all of those things might already have been rolled/decided before this vote got presented to us (though I doubt it, given how the Guildmaster's status was only rolled on this turn). But given the information we have all options are designed to have potential value and to make sense from Mathilde's current perspective and based on her current information. Options like "Ride back and get Johann's help" aren't available by default (BoneyM would probably allow a write-in while facepalming though if we don't want to heed his warnings) because Mathilde doesn't think it would be sensible or helpful.
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Personally, I wouldn't mind if we had the occasional vote where Mathilde immediately regretted her choice and thought, "Wow, that was a lousy idea!"
Often my issue with quests in general is that there's not enough feedback to voters when they made a wrong decision and instead can only guess if a vote result was sub-optimal. The difference between "risky and not even slightly worth the risk" and "risky but the result was worth the risk" and "not risky but a worthwhile time expenditure" and "not risky but actually it was a waste of your time" isn't always apparent enough post-vote. How do you learn from decisions if you can't properly evaluate them afterwards?
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- Earth
So there's a decently large force.
Just imagine the terrifed dwarf noises if without warning, supernatural darkness started seeping through the gaps in the doors.
I just imagined Asarnil making the Jurassic Park T-Rex bugling.
Might get refreshed on a road trip across bad terrain I suppose.
That'd be one grumbly paper about a hundred miles of bad road....
The Barak Varr navy will be here with the full salvage and rescue gear.
I'm still wondering just how the damage happened that the Guild had to lock themselves in the cargo hold rather than try to abandon ship to higher ground. Multiple breaches could do it but we only heard one blast reported?
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- Aotearoa
It seems likely-
The event was 25 years ago, her parents might very well be dead by now, and any siblings grown up with ten-year-olds of their own.
And Boney has previously said that Weber is a common Stirland name, so who knows if they'd have made the association, or if they'd have wanted to reconnect even if they did.
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I've changed my mind
[X] Try to track the bandits
[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind
[X] Scout for any approaching greenskin forces
I mean it doesn't seem very dwarf like to reward someone for shoddy work.
You were trying to kill me but you couldn't remember that I came in to work at 9:10 rather then 9:00 when you set the fuse, bah you can't get any kind of quality work these days, a beardling could have done a better job.
[X] Try to track the bandits
[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind
[X] Scout for any approaching greenskin forces
I mean it doesn't seem very dwarf like to reward someone for shoddy work.
You were trying to kill me but you couldn't remember that I came in to work at 9:10 rather then 9:00 when you set the fuse, bah you can't get any kind of quality work these days, a beardling could have done a better job.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
...is it sad that I could actually believe something like this happening?
You make friends or characters who can rack you over the coals in the narrative when they find out what dumb thing you did this time; for example when we foolishly told a witch hunter that you needed wizards to fight the forces of the undead or again when we asked for our paycheck ten seconds after meeting the steward.
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- Canada
[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind
Mathilde just chain cast a Fiendishly Complex spell ~300 times in 2+ hours, around once every 20-30 seconds depending on circumstances, and didn't experience the rather common result of "-and then the Battle Wizard exploded." She looked into the eyes of three hundred Dwarves condemned to die in a flooded steel tomb, and did not flinch or fail. That is some Grade A+ Heroism.
I credit Abelhelm.
I am so, so glad this turned out so unbelievably well.
Mathilde just chain cast a Fiendishly Complex spell ~300 times in 2+ hours, around once every 20-30 seconds depending on circumstances, and didn't experience the rather common result of "-and then the Battle Wizard exploded." She looked into the eyes of three hundred Dwarves condemned to die in a flooded steel tomb, and did not flinch or fail. That is some Grade A+ Heroism.
I credit Abelhelm.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I mean, given their last interaction, if they've come to the conclusion that the daughter they abandoned to the pyre is the Dammerlichreiter, I'd expect they live in terror of her deciding to visit one day and take revenge.
- Location
- USA
I wonder if there are any lessons/insights/tips she can pass onto the Duckling Club, or if this falls under Things A Lord/Lady Magisters Does (And Someday, So Can You!).
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
"Don't blow up, that's what works for me," probably.
- Location
- USA
"Don't miscast."
"Begging your pardon, Lady Magister, but every Apprenticeship starts with that."
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Easy sidestory omake material. A dwarf observer remembering what he saw, the slow rising of impossible hope as the casualty list is halved before his eyes. Then, the last dwarf comes up and she appears on shore, absolutely exhausted, limbs shaking, and barely able to stand. She's quickly given a chair and has quiet words with a visibly concerned King Belegar, before getting up and staggering up and down the beachfront.
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- US
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- He/Him
So could a hypothetical barer of this Arcane mark mitigate the effects by wearing a distinct mask? Or is the mark too conceptual for a gesture like this to conceal?