The idea is that while under the influence of Substance of Shadow they're holding themselves from falling into the earth or if that isn't good enough for Drop adapting the spell into a version which makes people involuntarily drop themselves into the ground.
Drop isn't a spell that makes people descend, it's a 'let go of that' spell. It targets the hands. Somebody Silenced can still clap their hands just fine.
What's the arcane link that lets the spell distinguish between their blood and their everything else?
Drop uses a compulsion, not a physical force. Ulgu is also the wind of mind-affecting stuff, so it shouldn't be hard to modify it to momentarily tweak the bit of the targets' self-image that's keeping them from falling through the ground. Bewilder and Eye of the Beholder could also serve as bases for that part of the effect. And that's all if it turns out to be necessary at all; we don't know how much of Substance of Shadow's behavior is determined by the caster's understanding of the spell and expectation for how it works.
Blood is a liquid while the majority of the body's solid, so set it to 'all liquids' rather than 'all blood'? Though since that would lead to every other liquid in their body dropping through them at the same time, it would be even messier and more unpleasant. Or maybe use your own blood as a reference point for the spell- everything that is similar enough to it gets made intangible? I wasn't really thinking of the practicalities of the suggestion, if I'm honest, just mentioning an idea for how to abuse intangibility spells.
If we're altering compulsion spells, Sleep is also petty, and makes them far more vulnerable on a battlefield level. The touch range is an issue, but the Fog Path spell involves tendrils of Ulgu reaching out on a programmatic basis to just poke everything with it, so we could probably use the same general framework to create a cloud that pokes everybody with the Sleep spell.
I guess I'm just asking because it feels like a 'what if we cast a spell to make them dead' thing. It's the goal, but if each spell is basically a little story then it's like asking 'what if we have a story where we win'?
Nah, I get where you're coming from. Like I said, I was thinking more about intangibility abuse in general rather than in specifics. Though on that topic...
Damn nice list, though I'm not sure BoneyM would even permit us to develop a Save or Die spell.
Yeah, damage fog would certainly be useful and is definitely next on the to-do list after Fog Path. My favorite proposal was to scale up the Roiling Shadows mastery we have on Dread Aspect and/or Throttling to choke-stab an entire unit at once. I was specifically looking at Save-or-Die effects because people had started claiming we needed to learn Pit of Shades because damage wouldn't be enough against a dragon or a bloodthirster.
I did actually think about something like this! But I'd forgotten the part where Mathilde had mentioned that she'd had trouble learning to preserve her ability to breathe air so I left it off the list of damage mechanisms for Baleful Ethereality. I also don't know how long the Exemplarius can hold its breath.
Save or die and similar spells do exist in canon. They're rare, but they are a thing (Pit of Shades, Purple Sun, etc). Whether BoneyM would let us develop one that we can use safely and spammably, however, is another question entirely.
I'm aware they exist. There's a reason I specified develop, not learn.
I'm not sure demons even need to breathe in the first place.
So... our backlog of ways to experiment with Aetheric Vitae was running relatively low, wasn't it?
I doubt BoneyM would block us from creating one, provided we have a way to justify it and the appropriate traits to support it. After all, if we can learn a spell that's save or die anyway, then so long as the reasoning behind it is solid why stop us from creating our own? To my mind, the only questions would be how difficult it would be to invent and how effective the resulting spell would be.
I just got home from work and I misread that you said that it was made by a 12 year old Elf. I might be more tired than I think.
I find myself in wholehearted agreement with Briefvoice.
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I really don't want to be one of those people who's constantly going 'no fun allowed'. I know that it sucks to be in a thread with them. I feel sometimes like the line between communicating 'no, no, I don't think that idea would work' and 'wow, your idea is so dumb, and you as a person suck' can get muddled, though, which makes me a bit worried. It's not a fun feeling.
As far as I understand it, Save or dies aren't competing with Apparition Binding. I think we really want both.
its called a Doomfire Ring .
It's not. The Doomfire Ring is pretty weak. It used the MC spell Fire Ball, not the Battle Magic spell Fireball (it is not Boney's fault that these are named near-identically). This is comparable to Shadow Knives in effect; it's a big boost for a Journeyman who might not even be able to cast a Moderately Complicated spell reliably, but it is not a tool for someone butting her way up against Lady Magister.
