Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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With the inter-college gatcha, we're likely getting Journeymen. We can probably manage a Magister with focused recruiting.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Shovern
Extravagant Shitposter
The Duckling actions are a locked in half action, whereas our personal actions can be used for anything. So while it's not competing with Winter Wolves and Kitty Birds, for AP, it is competing with Light Wizards, Better Swording, Scouting.
So this has to be looked at as a matter of: Is yet another batch of cavalry that are (probably) weaker then the duckling cavalry, worth missing out on _____. And so far, I'm not seeing any reason why the answer would be yes.
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My problem with the Brettonians aren't that they're competing with the knights or the wolves. My problem with the Brettonians is that they're a liability. They hold us back, both physically, in that they'll slow us down, and culturally, in that they don't mesh with literally anyone else we're bringing.
I mean, if that's the argument then we want Hag witchs.
lore of the Hag has the most 'fuck chaos' and healing spell at the easiest casting levels, while light and jade only get those at greater risk or higher level.
now, the light stuff at the top is better, but also has a greater risk of exploding the user.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
We've got a much better College reputation than we do Ungol reputation.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
I mean, sure, but in that case argue against them based on their own merits or how they compare to, you know, the actual people they would have to compete with? They were being compared to the duckling cavalry as if we could only have one or the other. It didn't make sense.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I wonder if we will get any gray wizards following our example?
there is also the thing that if my guess about it being 'fucking cold' as a mechanical problem, the horses might risk freezing to death. same with the knights of taal.
battle huskies have better odds.
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You, ah, missed the whole discussion that lead into this, about specifically recruiting the women who are passing or failed to pass as knights? Part of the "2nd chance" part of the proposed action. I think it gets the skills without the liabilities (besides slowing expedition slightly, equivalent to other cavalry, and maybe improving speed overall if they can prevent the wagons from being stopped) and it gives us another long-term unit to project power from the Karak with.
There's some subleties to the proposal you are glossing over, hard, and so I find your arguements vastly overstated.
ya, but Ungol tribes are fairly mercenary, and we have a lot of gold.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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To be fair, other people have independently proposed recruiting knights in general, rather than specifically women. I believe @TotallyNotEvil suggested Questing Knights several times?
Shovern
Extravagant Shitposter
I literally did in that quote.
But I guess I can go into more depth.
The Winter Wolves are an Elite Calvary unit that is very well adapted to handling cold harsh landscape. They have previous experience working with a Dwarf expedition, come with built in magical support in the form of Hubert. And they use Giant Feking Wolves instead of plain horses.
The Knights of Taal are an Elite Calvary unit, who's mission statemetn seems to be "Fuck chaos up". They have previous experience working with a Dwarf expedition, come with built in magical support in the form of the two Amber Magisters. And use Giant Murderous Demigryphs instead of horses.
The Brettonians would be Brettonians known by Soizic and thus are more likely to be Questing knights or the like, rather than anything truly special such as Pegasus Knights or Grail Knights. That are not as well specialized for cold environs compared to the others, their mounts are not nearly as impressive, and they have no "Guaranteed" built in Magical support. Though they might have a Ward save mechanic of some kind.
So my question is that, if we pick up the first two Cav units. Why should we pick up Brettonians as well? Why spend a personal AP, to get them compard to say Light Wizards?
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Wait is someone seriously arguing to bring journeyman wizards into the Chaos Wastes?
That's like two tons of nope in a one pound bag.
they likely haven't gotten proper anti-chaos training!
this is corruption central right here!
I feel like people are severely underestimating where we're going.
That's like two tons of nope in a one pound bag.
they likely haven't gotten proper anti-chaos training!
this is corruption central right here!
I feel like people are severely underestimating where we're going.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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We already did. The college gatcha action we took takes whoever applies. Most people looking to travel into dangerous locations for vast rewards are Journeymen.
Shovern
Extravagant Shitposter
I mean there will be a Grey Wizard there to keep an eye on em, and to handle em if they go bad.
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I have not been led to believe that most journeyman consider the fucking chaos wastes a good place to journey too.
Nor that the colleges would encourage such foolishness in their journeyman.
Fuck, How many journeymen did we even have at for the initial expedition to K8P? I know for a fact that johann was an incognito magister. but were Eisbern and Seija journeyman at the time?
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- Brazil
These aren't mutually exclusive. In the two turns of prep we have, we can do a Duckling and a recruit on each and get Kittybirds, Doggos, Knights and Damsels. Or at least try to.
Brettonians are highly elite, highly pious (which helps a lot up there) and mesh well with getting Damsels, which are the most versatile casters we can get that aren't elfs.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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For whatever it's worth, the anti-Chaos training isn't terribly relevant here, I don't think. It doesn't cover the relatively mundane matter of "Try not to explode".
We have explicit confirmation that it's only about as bad as Sylvania - which means that it's really more about how cautious the wizard is than about how skillful (see how Mathilde the journeyman was just fine but the magister/magister Lords suffered horrible attrition). I suspect journeyman wizards that Mathilde has both rank and experience on and can scare straight are far less likely to wildly miscast/get corrupted, if only because they are less likely to get silly ideas in their head about Mathilde not being their supervisor and that letting them do dumb stuff.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
They have to journey somewhere. It's not like all the magisters who want to stay home are coming along, and the battle mages are in Sylvania.
But the Chaos Wastes aren't nearly as bad for casting as is being implied; it's only about Sylvania levels, nothing more.
Journeying isn't actually about training and getting cooler. It's about being cool enough to leave the colleges, so that you can go and prove that you can use your cool skills; i.e most journeymen should be about as cool as fresh magisters. Magisters are more impressive than Journeymen only because they only consist of the ones who succeeded.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Ourselves and Johann were the only Magisters.
Magisters aren't often the sort to go on dangerous adventures.
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I'm actually kinda hoping this goes badly now.
Not so badly that we die or anything of course,
But bad enough to pop the hubris bubble before we get so bigheaded that the thread decides to go infiltrate Nagashizarr or piss off the Slann or something.
Not so badly that we die or anything of course,
But bad enough to pop the hubris bubble before we get so bigheaded that the thread decides to go infiltrate Nagashizarr or piss off the Slann or something.
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One concern I have, regarding further recruitment, is whether the Expedition has the resources to cover hiring them, in addition to whatever wizzards we get, and Deathfang (and Asarnil too, I guess.)
like, @Glau I don't want to burst the bubble. but just because they would be women knights doesn't mean they won't have Knightland values.
so ya, probably no misogyny, but what about the starch social gap between knights nobles and everyone else, more than even other countries.
like, the freeman are not well treated or respected, and they don't really treat their presents like actual people a lot of the time.
Like, Boney has said that they are doing something a little different, but the dichotomy of how they can be a noble knight and cruel tyrant at the same time is a core part of their narrative.
in a weird way I would like to see what issues a bunch of knghtlanders would bring to the Peaks.
but that's because I like drama.
Can you not? A few people might meme about that, but the group of people who might actually get as bad as you are implying is smaller than those who agree with Omegahugger about necromancy.