Because the grey college of all people is just terrible about keeping secrets regarding their magic, stuff that is already obscure and esoteric to the layman.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Because the grey college of all people is just terrible about keeping secrets regarding their magic, stuff that is already obscure and esoteric to the layman.
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I mean the hypothetical Ericwinter was presenting was one where theurgy was adopted by all the colleges and used commonly enough for religious orders to get involved.
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I'd suspect not, because of the unbalanced forces acting up the high magic. Ulgu would be attracted to the tongs, everything else would be repelled, and the balance keeping it all from becoming dhar would likely be disrupted catostrophically.
First experiment is probably just to get a sense of how the different winds react when trying to grab them with ulgu? It's entirely possible that whether tongs are viable and how much control is possible is determined by *which* two winds are being used.
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Going to strongly insist that we at least poke at the Coin research path before we poke at the tongs research path. We have a ton of both IC and OOC reason to believe that the Coin will pay off with interesting results, as well as existing research options that we know are gated behind it, whereas using Ulgu as tongs to manipulate a different Wind was wholly an idea of the thread that wasn't even added to Mathilde's action list until people specifically requested it.
Don't get me wrong, I endorse using the Coin on the tongs when we do it just to give it its best shot of success, but I am not expecting it to pay off and I would rather look at the literal divine gift at least once before we hare off on our own thing.
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Oh that yes. Any change that large would have to be enacted with care over centuries. After all most people think arcane magic comes from hell, they are not wrong exactly, but the Order Gods live in the same Hell.
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Gazul doesn't. The Lady doesn't either, IIRC. Same could be for the other order gods.
Gazul is a dwarf so in typical dwarf fashion he lives in a portion of Hell he barricaded off. I doubt that is the case with the Lady or any human god.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Technically, if you go with the End Times version of canon, the Elven gods don't, and Sigmar doesn't.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Well as I see it, there's a fair chance we could do both at once. As I pointed out a while ago, there seem to be three actions with something approaching consensus for the next turn—enchanting, Coin research, and AV actions—with three more having some contention—learning Arcane Dwarf, Ulgu Tongs, and Powerstone lessons—with a smattering of other possibilities that seem more like pet projects than anything immediately preferred. With five actions this turn, it's a fair possibility by my estimation.
If you go by the end times Sigmar was somehow imprisoned in the Wind of Heavens somehow which makes exactly zero sense. I tend to ignore that nonsense wholesale.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Well in the sequel to the End Times the winds turn out to be entire dimensions or something, so at least that plot point was hypothetically consistent.
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We can only put coin on one action.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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I don't think we can actually use the Coin on The Coin research action? Unless we were going to stick it on something else, but I don't see anything that desperately needs it.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Then we'll just do the others without the bonus (probably the coin applied to itself). It saves a certain degree of real life time which is hard to pass up.
We can. GM vagueness indicates we may be considered 'cheeky' for it, if I recall correctly.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Ah. Yeah, that changes the calculus for me a little bit. I mean, I still want to do Ulgu Tongs, it's just a little riskier and might need to wait. Unless there really is a preliminary action first.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Hmm?
I definitely recall an older word of god that was like "No turning the coin against its self" which was also linked with the No turning the coin on the familiar obsession roll as it was also a gift from Ranald.
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BoneyM said Ranald "would get a laugh out of it...." IIRC
Which, looking at those words now; is mildly ominous. Is that just me?
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I wonder if turning the coin on action boost to research how the coin works wouldn't be counter productive as we're to close to the effect to see what's happening?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Maybe if our piety were any lower. Ranald is, like, actually our friend, though; at worst we'd be rolling on the divine displeasure table (so to speak), not exploding into a cloud of daemons, which automatically makes it safer than anything we've done with color magic. (When the Gods suck you into the warp to answer for your bad luck you're allowed to plead your case with them.)
If the coin is working properly, everything it does will be slight nudges to help us reach our goal better, manifesting over the course of the turn as a powerful luck effect. If that goal is understanding the coin better, and it's not messing with us, then those nudges will be to help us understand the coin better, at which point they might start manifesting when we look for them; that's as close to laboratory conditions as a god of luck would probably allow.
It's a reward, not a monkey's paw.
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Would using the coin on coin basically be asking Ranald how it works ?
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I assure you, I got the Word of Boney on this lined up well in advance.
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- Australia
The action's heating up. I hope there's AP to spare to help out.
Oh, actually, we could spend some of our dwarf or runesmith favour to get some help over there if we can't go ourselves.
And that's yet another giant case of 'not even remotely our job'. Roswita has earned her own dwarf favour and can earn more in future. If she thinks it's important, she can use her own influence to get help without us playing fairy godmother.
We have an enormous number of things to do to help the forces of order, that require long term investment in upskilling Mathilde and other preparation, from AV to Bok to Waystones, and even to leverage the elfcation to try to improve ties between the Grey College and the Shadow Warriors. That's what we should focus on if we get time to catch our breath, not try to be a gyrocopter parent to the entire population of Empire when they're fully capable of looking after their own interests.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Yeah. It was different when it was a super vampire wizard and what turned out to be an entire college of black magic, because necromancers start out with battle magic and they'd have mulched any mundane opposition, but when it's just zapping unscrupulous peat smugglers there are simply more interesting things to do.
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@Lupercal Plz tell the artist that she's not a human; she's a Mathilde.
Using Ulgu to manipulate other Ulgu is a great idea for a first experiment. Mathilde would learn something even if it doesn't work.
Plus, it's just in-character to be cheeky when we research the Coin. Ranald is the world's biggest fan of shenanigans, after all.