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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Darik29 said:
Familiarhood might well allow him to hit Direwolf status. And that's too awesome to deny.
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That's not how familiars work. It started out as a regular wolf, so it stays a regular wolf, albeit a magical one. Monstrous creatures as familiars are more of an Amber College thing, anyway.

On the matter of naming him, I oppose anything other than Wolf. It's already his name.
 
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Really this is the most important thing to think about. What our new puppies name is? (No sarcasm intended)
 
LockedMind said:
While I get the "time-sensitive" argument for the college help, I think that if you command someone you should probably spend some time with them. If we don't take any "spend time with Journeymen", then it will look mighty strange to them - they are told they have a new boss, but no one seen hide nor hair of her, because she is mustering some extra forces elsewhere (or talking with her wolf, but that's probably considered normal by Amber journeymen)
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I'd argue that, as this last update was labeled as 'Week 0', not spending time with the Journeymen this turn is less of an issue than it would be on a normal turn. Ignoring them for a week would be far less detrimental than blowing them off for half a year.

Then again, we might not actually ignore them; Matty could very well briefly check in the three of them, tell them of she's been assigned to command/represent the collected Empire wizards of the Throng, and that she'll be back in a week, as she's going to try and get some more wizards (assuming that vote carries). Or she could send one of the assorted runners and messengers surely crawling all over the Throng HQ to inform them. Or yes, she could outright ignore them, but again that issue would be mitigated by it only being a week's absence.

The Amber wizards may be perfectly fine being ignored as long as possible, given their tendencies. I dunno about what stereotypes are associated with Gold wizards to speculate on how they'd take it though. Hopefully they're not the clingy sort.
 
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BoneyM said:
I thought there was a chance that the cat familiar bloc or those that want an enormous murderbeast as a familiar would be against the pup.
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I mean, considering the circunstances in which he showed up, there was essentially no chance he'd be passed up. Our buddy Wolf dying helping Ranald, as we sacrifice another god's altar, and suddenly a familiar-worthy wolf shows up? C'mon.

... Still, can we only have one? I want my griffon familiar dammit!
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I mean, considering the circunstances in which he showed up, there was essentially no chance he'd be passed up. Our buddy Wolf dying helping Ranald, as we sacrifice another god's altar, and suddenly a familiar-worthy wolf shows up? C'mon.

... Still, can we only have one? I want my griffon familiar dammit!
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My man. Calm yo rib cage. We can Still, Potentially, get a gryphon. Just not a Familiar Gryphon.

Gonna need to do it the Old Fashioned Way.

Climb a mountain and steal an egg.
 
[X] Accept as leader of the Stirlander forces (commanding 5,000 crossbowmen and 5,000 huntsmen).

[X] The Stirlander forces
[X] Spend time with your wolf pup, trying to develop a famliar bond.
[X] Deliver last-minute messages for Belegar, trying to scrape together any remaining support to be had before leaving.
- [X] To Dwarfholds of the Grey and Black Mountains.

What's that? The vote for commanding the army is a lost cause?

Well screw it, that's what I want. I like the fact that Mathilde is actually a decent general. And I like the idea of being given objectives during the campaign and actually having the forces to carry them out instead just being an "auxillary" attachment like the Wizard option is likely to be.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I mean, considering the circunstances in which he showed up, there was essentially no chance he'd be passed up. Our buddy Wolf dying helping Ranald, as we sacrifice another god's altar, and suddenly a familiar-worthy wolf shows up? C'mon.

... Still, can we only have one? I want my griffon familiar dammit!
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As many as we want!

BoneyM said:
There is no limit to the amount of familiars you can have except for money and time.
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Barnes said:
I dunno about what stereotypes are associated with Gold wizards to speculate on how they'd take it though. Hopefully they're not the clingy sort.
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From Realms of Sorcery:
"They are extremely logical individuals, desiring to quantify and measure as much of the physical world as they can. They are born teachers and lecturers, apparently driven to instruct, but equally they are obsessive students who wish to implement what they have learned to practical and concrete ends."

Also one of the Gold College's wet dreams is stealing method of smithing gromril from dwarves. I fear shenanigans from gold journeyman.
 
Insane thought: In our experiments with the matrix, we found that improper matrix usage can change the traits of animals, as seen by grey feather chicken and smoke spewing chicken (what happened to them, anyway?). Could this be developed to infuse animals with useful magical traits?
 
LockedMind said:
"They are extremely logical individuals, desiring to quantify and measure as much of the physical world as they can. They are born teachers and lecturers, apparently driven to instruct, but equally they are obsessive students who wish to implement what they have learned to practical and concrete ends."
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So, either perfectly understanding that Mathilde is needed elsewhere for the time being, resulting in no obvious negative consequences to not spending time with them.

Or, they've got this GREAT IDEA that they desperately want to SHOW TO YOU. The Belegar is quietly thankful that we agreed to be the wizard representative just so that he could have a buffer against the Azulzhufi. Blowing them off for a week will drive them up the wall, and upon returning they will drive up Matty up the wall in turn.

Then again, Matty's hardly a stereotypical shadowmancer, so who can say?
 
I kinda feel like the decision of which group to lead is, do you like Magister Mathilde Weber of the Grey College more than Dame Weber of Stirland, or vice versa?

Whichever choice we pick is likely to have knock-on consequences focused on the Colleges or Stirland, whether we succeed or fail.
 
Guile said:
I kinda feel like the decision of which group to lead is, do you like Magister Mathilde Weber of the Grey College more than Dame Weber of Stirland, or vice versa?

Whichever choice we pick is likely to have knock-on consequences focused on the Colleges or Stirland, whether we succeed or fail.
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One path points towards Mathilde, Matriarch of the Grey Order. The other towards Usurper Countess Weber of Stirland. Neither path is set in stone.

Though I still think picking the Stirland soliders carries a real risk of ending poorly when we enforce some non-Sigmar god on them.

Derpmind said:
Funny as this all is, that's not how it works. The seed can rebuild entire new bodies with the origional soul and all. If she gets her arm chopped off, then either the seed will try to reconnect with the still-alive-but-dying Mathilde, or it'll pull the soul out of the old body and stick it in the newly-regrown one. So, if she want to try a fairly shitty version of telepotation, she can rip her hand off and stick it through a hole or throw it really far. Quite the party trick! :V
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I dunno. There are probably all sorts of soul-adjacent Warp-based entities just waiting for the right piece of Materium real estate to come on the market, and this one has that fresh newly-built-by-Magic smell.
 
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BoneyM said:
I thought there was a chance that the cat familiar bloc or those that want an enormous murderbeast as a familiar would be against the pup.
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We can always just get a second familiar, sure that's more of an amber wizard thing but having a wolf as your familiar is an amber wizard thing anyway.

JamesShazbond said:
Insane thought: In our experiments with the matrix, we found that improper matrix usage can change the traits of animals, as seen by grey feather chicken and smoke spewing chicken (what happened to them, anyway?). Could this be developed to infuse animals with useful magical traits?
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They got into the general population and now smokey chickens have become a great delicacy in Stirland.

Mathilde probably just killed it and set it on fire to be sure.
 
Alliterate said:
One path points towards Mathilde, Matriarch of the Grey Order. The other towards Usurper Countess Weber of Stirland. Neither path is set in stone.

Though I still think picking the Stirland soliders carries a real risk of ending poorly when we enforce some non-Sigmar god on them.


I dunno. There are probably all sorts of soul-adjacent Warp-based entities just waiting for the right piece of Materium real estate to come on the market, and this one has that fresh newly-built-by-Magic smell.
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Presumably marching through the Badlands wouldn't give us a lot of time to proselytize. I guess we could force them to mark crosses with their boots as they go? Get them to chant, 'One, two, three, four/Ranald isn't an incredible bore/who caused the death of the greatest man/any of us will ever know?'
 
LockedMind said:
From Realms of Sorcery:
"They are extremely logical individuals, desiring to quantify and measure as much of the physical world as they can. They are born teachers and lecturers, apparently driven to instruct, but equally they are obsessive students who wish to implement what they have learned to practical and concrete ends."

Also one of the Gold College's wet dreams is stealing method of smithing gromril from dwarves. I fear shenanigans from gold journeyman.
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I wouldn't worry too much about trying to steal the gromril smithing method while we're on a war party without any smiths beyond dwarf average support train capabilities.


I WOULD worry more about playing mediator between the Gold and Amber attitudes, since while the Grey college is okay with both of them, they're sort of opposed in philosophy in the Logic/Instinct gap...but stereotypes aren't everything.
JamesShazbond said:
Insane thought: In our experiments with the matrix, we found that improper matrix usage can change the traits of animals, as seen by grey feather chicken and smoke spewing chicken (what happened to them, anyway?). Could this be developed to infuse animals with useful magical traits?
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This was asked before, deliberately mutating animals to see what happens is not really a good thing as seen by the Colleges, especially the Grey College. The Empire has enough gribblies that deliberately introducing another one is not going to meet much approval.

Though now that we're a Magister we might get away with increased scrutiny...we don't want increased scrutiny. We have some suspect reading material that's not tawdry romance novels.
 
Guile said:
Presumably marching through the Badlands wouldn't give us a lot of time to proselytize. I guess we could force them to mark crosses with their boots as they go? Get them to chant, 'One, two, three, four/Ranald isn't an incredible bore/who caused the death of the greatest man/any of us will ever know?'
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We have an explicit penalty to handling Sigmarite organizations--and Stirland is majority Sigmarite.

Even if we're technically the best choice, we'll be stabbing ourselves in the foot.
 
Alliterate said:
One path points towards Mathilde, Matriarch of the Grey Order. The other towards Usurper Countess Weber of Stirland. Neither path is set in stone.
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Actually, if things goes a bit canon and Starke becomes patriach, wouldnt that cause a lot of trouble for us. Like, in the possible chance he realize our faith and force use to change our faith to sigmar, things might go really badly for us.

So, if there is two path, I prefer taking the matriach, just to prevent a possible shitfest happening to us.
 
Alliterate said:
Though I still think picking the Stirland soliders carries a real risk of ending poorly when we enforce some non-Sigmar god on them.
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Guile said:
Presumably marching through the Badlands wouldn't give us a lot of time to proselytize. I guess we could force them to mark crosses with their boots as they go? Get them to chant, 'One, two, three, four/Ranald isn't an incredible bore/who caused the death of the greatest man/any of us will ever know?'
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I like to think of it going down like this: upon Mathilde accepting command of the Strilanders, a roll for Diplomacy is made.

The following scene is her marching into the Stirlander camp, making a beeline towards the crude and homely little shrine of Sigmar that the soldiers have set up, then violently kicking it over.

The stunned silence is broken by the sounds of a short woman angrily stomping on a bunch of little hammers, or whatever the hell Sigmarites put in their shrines. Once satisfied, she turns to the speechless crowd, says "we're worshiping Ranald now", then leaves.


And the kicker is that the roll wasn't even that bad.
 
It's possible to have multiple familiars but usually only Ambers and hermits do, because the magical benefits don't stack but the drawbacks do.

veekie said:
I assume the Gold and Amber journeymanlings would have similar capabilities for metal and animals respectively IF they develop Windreader?
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If they develop their Magesight, it's almost certain to develop along those lines, yes.

JamesShazbond said:
Insane thought: In our experiments with the matrix, we found that improper matrix usage can change the traits of animals, as seen by grey feather chicken and smoke spewing chicken (what happened to them, anyway?). Could this be developed to infuse animals with useful magical traits?
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'Deliberately pump magic into them and see what happens' is a great way to get dead animals, an okay way to get demons, and a really bad way to get useful and stable mutations.

Stranger1950 said:
Actually, if things goes a bit canon and Starke becomes patriach, wouldnt that cause a lot of trouble for us. Like, in the possible chance he realize our faith and force use to change our faith to sigmar, things might go really badly for us.
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Please do not engage in this sort of meta-strategy. It will never result in good things for the Quest.
 
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veekie said:
This was asked before, deliberately mutating animals to see what happens is not really a good thing as seen by the Colleges, especially the Grey College. The Empire has enough gribblies that deliberately introducing another one is not going to meet much approval.
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Yeah, we don't want our grand list of titles to include stuff like "Creator of the Dread Demichicken".

veekie said:
not tawdry romance novels
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To be fair, we don't actually know what's in the Liber Mortis.
 
veekie said:
Though now that we're a Magister we might get away with increased scrutiny...we don't want increased scrutiny. We have some suspect reading material that's not tawdry romance novels.
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The author is said to be still workshopping and focus grouping the identity of Magdas' next romantic interest, now the whole cast of The Witch and Her Hunter has basically been done away with for the setting change.
 
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