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The Purple Sun was the way to kill Dawi back in 8th. If it drifts onto our lines then Dawi will die.
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chocolote12
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That was before we remembered that we can give them runic equipment. Add just a Ward Save and the raw math for the physical portion of the battle changes very drastically.
Give them, like, a dragon-sized mace or something, and their effectiveness goes up even further. Runes of Dragonslaying are frankly overkill, but entirely possible in this scenario. However, Runes of swiftness or speed change the math on a dragon's main weakness, which is their initiative of 1. A dragon moving at any speed other than 'slow' is scary.
The most fun option for a dragon-sized mace would be the Rune of Flight, though. It's always an amusing option, but on a tetsubo the size of a house it'd be something else.
Purple Sun is instant death, dragon tussling is dangerous but you apply your innate toughness and armor to surviving that which is the kind of things dwarfs have in spades.
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Sir_Travelsalot
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Unless the army is all in Rune armour, I don't know that the toughness of humans or Dawi is enough for surviving two dragons rolling over you.
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The royal clan are all in rune armor, they would survive, our heroes are in rune armor they would survive too, Purple sun is just death unless you dodge. Dawi are terrible at dodging.
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Its still less lethal then being near the Purple Sun.
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I don't think there is enough magic in the world. Step one would probably have to be 'shatter the Vortex'
I mean... Algard was able to make The Sky forget where the sun was supposed to be.
im sure we could theoretically make anyone forget anything.
Not only can it not be quickly moved, it moves randomly. You could end up in a situation where the dragon dodges and then the Purple Sun floats into your ranks so you are doing the dragon's job for it.
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Basically.
Purple Sun is a no go unless your dudes are entirely expendable or you have no one else near where you are casting it.
Also your target needs to be slow.
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Yeah. The PSoX is not a precision weapon. You don't send it at one hard to hit target. Its an army killer, you cast it at large blocks of troops and pray that it doesn't fold back on your lines.
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I can see your point. I personally think the spell would do more damage, since the friendly dragon wouldn't be deliberately trying to kill things, and the unfriendly would be too busy too try, but we ultimately don't have the information to make the judgement.
But I don't think that matters so much, because the situation is still quite different. Imagine this:
You're a barely armed infantry man, and your position is getting hit by a tank battalion. You have no chance short of literal, excessive divine intervention to take them down. Surviving would take some divine mojo. Now, here's two scenarios
1) High Command orders an artillery barrage on your position, hoping to take out the attacking tanks, or at least get them to break off.
2) They send in their own tanks to slug it out.
Now, even if 2) involves a serious risk of getting hit by friendly fire or being squashed by allied tanks charging in, I would guess that the vast majority of people consider 2) the "nicer" thing. It would certainly be better for morale.
I would argue that the soldiers would prefer the dragon fight to getting hit with the ball of death (even without the fear of magic).
I would assume that the altar version at least has the potential to be directed. That seems to be the sort of change Boney would allow, and that would make sense.
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I doubt it, PS is a Vortex, not being targetable after initial formation is inherent to those kinds of spells, like magic missile always hitting barring wards.
Is there anyway to make a bombardment spell tracking? I am guessing not for us, since I don't think Uglu has any of those, but it feels like something you could do with Comet of Cassandora if you know how to use Azyr.
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One of the things we're worried about when facing the dragon is its counter-spelling capacity. It's why we're not ordering a battle altar of Net of Amyntok(hysh net that inflicts confusion and immobility) in order to keep it still for the Hold's other weapons, or of Purple Sun(a movable sphere of death that could potentially kill the dragon in one hit) in order to try to kill it outright.
They're all going to cost a lot when you get into the range of commissioning battle altars for things, but the dragon transformation altar doesn't risk it's method of attack being counterspelled into ineffectuality, doesn't need to come into range where there is a high risk of the dragon destroying the Altar with an attack(as it can respond to an attack from anywhere in the hold's vicinity), (probably)doesn't explode if it miscasts, and the effect it creates has a decent chance of either immobilizing or killing the dragon, and could be useful in an amazingly broad array of situations.
Since I've reached that point, let me point out that we did not start the fire, it was always burning, since Gustav tried and succeded in killing a mountain:
He's also got some wisdom to share:
I'm somewhat sad he's not around anymore. Then again, he's basically Oswald, except he likes horses.
Omegahugger
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I am beginning to suspect Oswald somehow picked up the Forgettable arcane mark with how easy it is to forget his presence.
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Damn, so that's how the Grey Order is keeping tabs on us.
Well, it would be silly to let a vampire run around unsupervised
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There is a solution you are all missing here.
A ballista that launches Slayers and also automatically casts Okkam's Mindrazor on the ammo.
A ballista that launches Slayers and also automatically casts Okkam's Mindrazor on the ammo.
Ericwinter
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That sounds like a brilliant way to kill Slayers through sheer blunt trauma. Also disturbingly reminiscent of the Grobi's doomdiver catapults, which, well...
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I've no knowledge of TT vortexes or whether the rules would vary here, but we do know magic missile spells do not always hit in-quest.
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So hey, new idea that almost makes the purple sun plan gain traction with me, only barely failing because I think the dragon plan will win anyway, because the dragon plan is really cool, because it'll still work way better against any sort of tunneling or underground target, and because if I wanted a Purple Sun I'd just try the cheaper method of hiring a battle wizard:
Wouldn't a Purple Sun also be great against those dragon Ogres we passed on the way here?
I've been thinking that that was too interesting to never do anything about it, so they're likely to become relevant to us eventually, and a doom stack of Dragon Ogres in Total War Warhammer apparently kills absolutely everything, so I'd expect them to be a terrifying field army.
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