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Am I the only one now imagining Mathilde pulling an Anakin Skywalker from dragonback? We have the glowy sword that cuts through anything and appears out of nowhere, we have the "these aren't the droids you're looking for", we have the penchant for walking into fortified installations and wreaking havoc all by ourselves... All we're missing is the speeder to jump out of and the "Excuse me for a moment."
 
As being very much unavailable to help deal with Sylvania. The idea that they might possibly be useful is considered so farfetched we don't even get an explanation like we do with Talabecland.
At a guess (and it is only a guess) Marius Leitdorf is the Elector Count. And he's a madman, and so can't be counted on to do anything.
 
Also, the question, why haven't elven mages been turning themselves into dragons?


While I like the dragon idea, I feel
[X] Plan Versatile
Makes the most sense, I wonder if we could suggest the turn into a dragon option to Belegar as well...

I dislike the possibility of permanently turning someone into a dragon, although I wonder what would happen if a fire wizard was turned into a fire dragon

The actually military advisor can consider the best use of artillery and types, and dwarfs know well enough that dragon slaying weapons and armour make sense

Something I have realised, we have grapecannons, cannons designed to launch dwarf grapeshot, I wonder if these could be converted into primitive flak guns

My view is still the best way to beat dragon is to have as many option as possible (grapecannons, plus runic bolt throwers, plus dwarfs with specialised runic items, plus magic tower, gyrocopters and yes plus dragon),
 
The province guarding Blackfire Pass should jump at the chance to prune the Waagh problem at the root.
Not 100% sure how to take it, but this was how Empress Heidi reacted to the idea of Averland being useful.
"I was afraid you'd say that. Could Averland-" The Empress snorts indelicately. "Point. Talabecland?"
If Boney is pulling from Heirs of Sigmar, then the current ruler of Averland is Grand Countess Ludmilla Alptraum. The only characterization of her I'm aware of is this passage.
If the spirit of revolution has taken hold among the usually traditional Averlanders, it is in the town of Streissen. A town with a small university and medical school, Streissen has always been ready to take in new ideas from elsewhere, such that Averlanders often refer to someone from Streissen as "not quite right in the head," or "too much under the influence of Nulners and Stirlanders." Streissen's middle and upper classes take pride in their relative openness to new ideas and think of themselves as Averland's intellectual elite.

Thus it was that, over the course of the last century, and under the influence of new political ideas from Nuln, Streissen's rulers managed events to force the Elector Countess, a young Ludmilla Alptraum, to grant Streissen a town charter, granting it rights— including the right to elect its own rulers—and freeing it from many duties and taxes to the crown in Averheim. For decades, the people of Streissen looked optimistically toward a bright future, but then, in 2502, riots broke out when crop disease produced a shortage of food. The authorities, who had neglected building anything more than a minimal watch, were helpless when agitators took control of the mob and declared a commune.

The town council appealed to a now-elderly Grand Countess Ludmilla for troops to suppress the revolution, but she would do so only if the councillors agreed to return the town's charter and give up all its hard-won privileges. In desperation, they did so, and Ludmilla's forces restored order in a blood bath that has made "Streissen" a byword for "atrocity" to this day.

At the same time, I don't believe he is pulling that from Heirs of Sigmar, given this passage.
You posit the same question in Averland, which is much further than his native Hochland. Heideck is his eventual answer, and for a moment you think he means the Priest of Ranald before you remember the town located in the heart of Averland. It is also, you are told, a hotbed of competing elements as the local nobles seek a Charter to elevate it to an semi-autonomous city-state, rather than being subject to the whims of the infamously unreliable Leitdorfs, and those appointed by the Leitdorfs to oversee it seek to thwart these ambitions. An accord sought here would be swift and firm, as either side would seek to lock down a potential partner before the others could get wind of the opportunity.
So, most likely, the current ruler of Averland is a Leitdorf. I don't think Marius, given the time period, but either way, almost certainly someone who is "odd" at best.
 
Also, the question, why haven't elven mages been turning themselves into dragons?
...is there reason to believe that they aren't using that spell? It's a perfectly cromulent piece of battle magic.
Didn't other wizards make it work?
The Jades and Ambers tried but couldn't make it work.
Both projects petered out, unfortunately. Both tended towards organic and couldn't figure out how to adapt the static structure of the Matrix. They might be picked up again some time in the future.
 
Also, the question, why haven't elven mages been turning themselves into dragons?
Why are you assuming they haven't? We do know that, like imperial mages, Chracen Ghur speciallists turn themselves into animals, especially Chrace lions.

While Caladorian mages specialise in Aqshy I'm sure that at least one has.

The Saphryan mages of the Tower of Hoeth do things like live on flying arbouriums with endless waterfalls so I'm sure at least one has chosen to live as a dragon if only to see what it is like.
 
Additionaly there is conflicting canon on which Kadon the spell is named after/was created by.

The most infamous Kadon is the founder of Mourkain and a powerful necromancer who was possed byweilded the Crown of Nagash.

There was another one who was an Asur archmage from before the War of Vengence.

It is also disputed which one created the Binding Scrolls of Kadon which are still the most powerful items for binding "monsters" to a wizards will.
 
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Basically, Derpmind, the setting was already broken if you dedicate even the slightest modicum of effort to thinking about it deeper than GW did.
Yeah, it's almost like GW didn't set out to make a setting at all, but rather provide an excuse for tiny plastic and metal people to kill each other.

Not 100% sure how to take it, but this was how Empress Heidi reacted to the idea of Averland being useful.

If Boney is pulling from Heirs of Sigmar, then the current ruler of Averland is Grand Countess Ludmilla Alptraum. The only characterization of her I'm aware of is this passage.


At the same time, I don't believe he is pulling that from Heirs of Sigmar, given this passage.

So, most likely, the current ruler of Averland is a Leitdorf. I don't think Marius, given the time period, but either way, almost certainly someone who is "odd" at best.
That would contradict The Prince of Altdorf, which has Marius as the Elector in 2502, for Franz's ascension.

Nah. He is of an age with Karl Franz in canon so if he was born then he is just a little child right now.
I've never actually seen a birth date or age for Marius. Where did you see one?
 
Additionaly there is conflicting canon on which Kadon the spell is named after/was created by.

The most infamous Kadon is the founder of Mourkain and a powerful necromancer who weilded the Crown of Nagash.

There was another one who was an Asur archmage from before the War of Vengence.

It is also disputed which one created the Binding Scrolls of Kadon which are still the most powerful items for binding "monsters" to a wizards will.
Given the description bit on Transformation of Kadon in the 8th edition book, I assume it's the elf. Doesn't really seem to fit Kadon of Mourkain.

It was something like "Kadon was a master of changing forms. One day he found he could not change back."
 
Additionaly there is conflicting canon on which Kadon the spell is named after/was created by.

The most infamous Kadon is the founder of Mourkain and a powerful necromancer who weilded the Crown of Nagash.

There was another one who was an Asur archmage from before the War of Vengence.

It is also disputed which one created the Binding Scrolls of Kadon which are still the most powerful items for binding "monsters" to a wizards will.

That's got to be another one of those annoying trick questions that magic professors put on their history test, presumably next to "Who invented the MAPP"
 
I was originally planning on abstaining, because I didn't have the time to dissect the votes and figure out what I thought was best, but this is clearly the superior option.

[X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon
 
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That would contradict The Prince of Altdorf, which has Marius as the Elector in 2502, for Franz's ascension.
It's Warhammer. Everything contradicts, everything has something that conflicts with it.

I know Boney pulls a lot from the 2nd edition RPG books, so I brought it up. I also, in the same post, noted that in-quest, it seemed to not be the case.
 
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