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This far in, I wouldn't suggest altering a popular plan. We can take a second action next turn, on our own time if need be to coordinate AA for the allied dragon, if necessary.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It also involves trusting Skaven warp-tech.
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Honestly i think we could trust just about anything more than skaven warptech.
Well yes, but the point was that even the crazy Skaven-tech plan is augmented by having our own dragon there. The ability to create a huge distraction that can confront the enemy on equal terms enables all sorts of strategies.
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Chaos Sorcery might conceivably be more unsafe.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Including actual Skaven.
*nuzzles Qrech*
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I feel like the most likely barrier to entry is actually enchanting the altar itself. We're talking about difficult battlemagic so the enchantment process may be highly dangerous for the mages involved. That assumes we get the go-ahead from the colleges to try to make it in the first place of course. It entirely possible that the head of the colleges doesn't want easy competition for his turning into dragons act or otherwise feels that the altar could piss off Cathay.
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This is true
It's "You will be facing a force of nature that killed a whole mountain of Skaven, and can hunt you through the tunnels" vs "Sacrifice your body, but you'll (probably) keep being yourself, honest". Note that these people probably trust Wizards more than the average Empire citizen, since they've had their bacon saved by her a few times now.
Depends on the size of the initial problem.
Permanent dragon is already a speculative case. Giving speculation about that speculation too much weight is not sensible, you might as well say "Hey, the tower is bad because the controller could have a sudden heart attack".
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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You know, that's a very good point. All this talk about the enemy dragon dispelling the transformation, and it doesn't reliably consider that doing so would essentially be a conscious choice to spend time and effort in the middle of a fight turning a temporary threat into a permanent threat, for... uh, what else does it gain out of that? I'm not really sure.
Dermonster
The Shittiest Wizard
[X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon
Well yes, the underlying assumption is the Amber Order will make us the thing we want. If they say no the whole concept won't work. As a note, we're requesting a more conventional dragon, not Cathayan.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
A temporary threat into a permanent threat that's twice as mad at you, even. It's like stopping in the middle of a battle to kick somebody's cat.
I think we'll just say "Dragon, please", and take whatever they give us. Which, given the past history of the dice, might be Cathayan after the MP decides he wants to take part of the K8P fun. It's what all the cool patriarchs do, don't you know?
I'm wondering how we can rope Kragg into this.
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[X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon
Dwarves can in fact turn into dragons. In WFRP, their magic resistance is represented by a +10 to willpower when resisting spells, which they can't do with every spell and which they have to choose to do. In the war game, it's represented by their Runesmiths getting +2 to dispel rolls, which they lose if a wizard is close to them. In both cases, the innate magic resistance is quite minor. A normal dwarf can turn into a dragon almost as easily or even as easily as a human.
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Another reason to go for the dragon is that it synergizes very well with the runes. Belegar can order runeforged equipemnt fit for the transformed dragon
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[X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon
None of the artillery plans really address the problem of the dragon deciding it would rather tunnel than fly, at least by themselves. Empowering an intelligent defender to the point where they can meaningfully direct combat into areas where the rest of the Hold can concentrate fire is about the best that can be done. If a dragon is attacking, shit has already hit the fan and the only thing to do is to direct the spray.
None of the artillery plans really address the problem of the dragon deciding it would rather tunnel than fly, at least by themselves. Empowering an intelligent defender to the point where they can meaningfully direct combat into areas where the rest of the Hold can concentrate fire is about the best that can be done. If a dragon is attacking, shit has already hit the fan and the only thing to do is to direct the spray.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Heck, I think you've just provided a good position from which to start negotiations with the Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin. The problem all along was "what are we going to offer it in exchange for a treaty". How about a fitted set of runeforged dragon armor?
And here I was, thinking we couldn't rope Kragg into the fun for once. That'd be ludicrously expensive but Belegar could certainly do it if he wanted to further augment his new Dragon Champion.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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The main problem with this is how long it takes to put said armor on, since if we activate our dragon things have probably already hit the fan, but otherwise that sounds like an absolutely brilliant and utterly terrifying idea. I love it.
Fuck, that's a genuinely terrifying thought. A rune equipped dragon is a raiding/area control force that takes this up to at least the same league as the doom tower. It would mean potentially much more frequent uses, but there's a lot of potential for completely shutting down enemy movement in a whole region.
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Would we be able to create more than one dragon with the altar?
The frequency of course I imagine would be based on rolls, but I'm wondering how much of a dragons power actually comes from age and magic versus biology, and I can totally see for example with the light magic ice dragon if it were to turn hostile we create our counter dragon, fly it up in the hopes to wrestle it so we can ready artillery or whatever, then it just get's brained instantly by a Hysh laser. Potentially a good deal draining on the enemy dragon sure but not the counter we're hoping for.
After all, let's say someone tries to deal with us using a similar tactic then all they do is create a single human, which would be laughably ineffective. Probably not quite that bad as with the dragon case but it could still be a bigger outmatch than we would expect.
Now if we can create more given time or wait to attack with several at once then at the least if it's able to just shutdown multiple dragons at once, regardless of how fresh and non-magical they are, then we were probably screwed in the first place (which as has been pointed out is a big problem with countering dragons; if it were easy dragons wouldn't be an issue in the first place).
The frequency of course I imagine would be based on rolls, but I'm wondering how much of a dragons power actually comes from age and magic versus biology, and I can totally see for example with the light magic ice dragon if it were to turn hostile we create our counter dragon, fly it up in the hopes to wrestle it so we can ready artillery or whatever, then it just get's brained instantly by a Hysh laser. Potentially a good deal draining on the enemy dragon sure but not the counter we're hoping for.
After all, let's say someone tries to deal with us using a similar tactic then all they do is create a single human, which would be laughably ineffective. Probably not quite that bad as with the dragon case but it could still be a bigger outmatch than we would expect.
Now if we can create more given time or wait to attack with several at once then at the least if it's able to just shutdown multiple dragons at once, regardless of how fresh and non-magical they are, then we were probably screwed in the first place (which as has been pointed out is a big problem with countering dragons; if it were easy dragons wouldn't be an issue in the first place).