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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
It would be cool to have a social action of Mathilde in the Temple of the Gambler she opened, socializing with the people of Karag Nar and just getting a sense of what life is like among the common Undumgi. I'd vote for that.
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I wouldn't. That kind of slice of life where nothing interesting happens doesn't add much to the quest, and takes away interesting opportunities. I'd rather leave downtime as downtime. Just assume that when not engaging in Overwork, Mathilde does normal introvert levels of socializing. I think Micromanaging her free time is beyond the level of abstraction for social actions, which should be used for "notable moments", as opposed to when there's nothing cool going on just chilling at my gambling house.
 
chocolote12 said:
It says Commission, not Suggest. Did Boney say we were just coming up with ideas right now (sorry to ask, but the thread does move very fast)?
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the exact words are:
to create, commission, devise, or otherwise see to some sort of plan for if the Ice Dragon turns hostile, ideally something that could also come in handy against other dragons or any other variety of enormous flying beast.
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emphisis mine:
to create, commission, devise, or otherwise see to some sort of plan for if the Ice Dragon turns hostile, ideally something that could also come in handy against other dragons or any other variety of enormous flying beast.
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but I suppose your could emphisis the first bit instead:
to create, commission, devise, or otherwise see to some sort of plan for if the Ice Dragon turns hostile, ideally something that could also come in handy against other dragons or any other variety of enormous flying beast.
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I would have suggested we should travel to Kislev and get an Ice witch to help, as all Dragons are normally weak to Ice type attacks. But this Dragon is also Ice type... so maybe we could get some Fairy type attacks. Maybe the Vicereine might have some ideas? :V
 
chocolote12 said:
Could you link to this post?
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Its the most recent threadmark.

If it said tool or tactic then I would think that he meant us to finish it this turn. Howerver, to me plan implies that he want to look it over next year and yay or nae it. Speaking of, we may want to add a bit about having a back up plan if he desides we are crazy over the dragon thing. :V Just a "if Belegar disaproves then show him the second voted plan" type thing.
 
Lupercal said:
Its the most recent threadmark.

If it said tool or tactic then I would think that he meant us to finish it this turn. Howerver, to me plan implies that he want to look it over next year and yay or nae it. Speaking of, we may want to add a bit about having a back up plan if he desides we are crazy over the dragon thing. :V Just a "if Belegar disaproves then show him the second voted plan" type thing.
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The thing is, if it were just plan I highly doubt we would have to spend an entire action on it. Like, sure, it takes time to think, but that's never translated to full actions before.
 
@Lupercal My extremely strong belief is that the intent here was that we implement our anti-dragon mechanism in this turn, not just draft a proposal. Evidence:
BoneyM said:
While you can call on them for help if need be, that Belegar came to you implies he's looking for something more out-of-the-box than throwing Kragg at it and calling it a day, so it's likely to go a lot better if you suggest what sort of finished product you're looking for from the collaboration.
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Here there is a mention of a finished product.
Derpmind said:
We could do the first action as a Design action, then follow it up next turn with actually building whatever comes up?
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Redshirt Army said:
@BoneyM , spending more actions on the tower would improve the outcome, much as it did for the Eye of Gazul, right?
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BoneyM said:
For this one, you'd be better served coming at it from two different angles if you want to spend two actions on it.
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Here Derpmind asks about taking a Design action first and then building next turn, and Boney's response is about doing two different things this turn rather than saying "of course you would take a design action now, this whole thing is just the design phase."
Parzival95 said:
@BoneyM I just want to make sure Skaven Knowledge Bomb isn't accidentally building two towers, one for the anti-air and a second to be determined next update. You've previously said we can't build two towers or dig twice at the same time, only one of each. Is it necessary to pick the penthouse tower to build Belegars tower?
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BoneyM said:
With the full resources of the Karak behind you, you can go for two towers if you want, but it's not necessary to use the Penthouse action on a tower to build an anti-dragon tower.
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Here Parzival checks the legality of building two towers and Boney confirms it, implying that if we had taken the "Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities", we would be building it and not just planning it.
 
Lupercal said:
Its the most recent threadmark.

If it said tool or tactic then I would think that he meant us to finish it this turn. Howerver, to me plan implies that he want to look it over next year and yay or nae it. Speaking of, we may want to add a bit about having a back up plan if he desides we are crazy over the dragon thing. :V Just a "if Belegar disaproves then show him the second voted plan" type thing.
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Oh, okay, thank you.
BoneyM said:
Your assignment for the remainder of this year is a light one, as Belegar knows you've still got to finish the Reikspiel version of the translation - to create, commission, devise, or otherwise see to some sort of plan for if the Ice Dragon turns hostile, ideally something that could also come in handy against other dragons or any other variety of enormous flying beast. A number of possibilities immediately leap to mind, and it's up to you to decide upon the best of them.
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Yeah, the repetitive synonymous words 'create', 'commission', and 'devise', for 'actually do this' seem to indicate to me a desire for action this year.
 
Given how close they are, I would recommend that people approval voting both Plan Versatile and Fight Dragon With Dragon drop their votes for one of them if they have a preference.
Adhoc vote count started by Parzival95 on Jun 30, 2020 at 3:52 PM, finished with 623 posts and 97 votes.
  • [X] Plan Versatile
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities
    --[X] Capable of shifting between the spells Urannon's Thunderbolt for direct damage, and Lightning Storm for dealing with many targets.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Commission an altar based on (boosted) Transformation of Kadon.
    --[X] Able to transform non-wizards.
    --[X] Optimized to reduce destructive consequences in case of miscast.
    --[X] Can only be activated by a Dwarf not currently being transformed.
    --[X] Can only be activated with one of three keystones.
    --[X] Transportable but heavy and unwieldy enough that even the resulting dragon can not just carry it away.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Skavenslayer with Less Vague Artillery
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Attempt to create a network of anti-air artillery emplacements, featuring runed artillery, personal/Altar scale enchanted items to provide accuracy buffs, and a small reserve of specialist runed ammunition for the hardest targets.
    --[X] Suggested artillery runes: Rune of Accuracy/Flakksson's Rune of Seeking for precision, Rune of Penetrating for damage
    --[X] Suggested buffs: Trial and Error, Second Portent of Amul (not necessarily at the same time)
    --[X] Specialist bolts: (Master) Rune of Dragonslaying/Demonslaying, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Striking
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Skavenslayer
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities
    --[X] Capable of the spells Lightning Storm for direct damage, Curse for debuffing hard targets, and Second Portent of Amul to buff gunnery
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Skaven Knowledge Bomb
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities
    --[X] Capable of the spells Lightning Storm for direct damage, Curse for debuffing hard targets, and Second Portent of Amul to buff gunnery (see below)
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Create artillery emplacements with appropriate runic augmentation to supplement the new tower
    --[X] Suggested runes: Rune of Accuracy/Flakksson's Rune of Seeking for precision, Rune of Penetrating for damage
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmith in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Skavenslayer with Artillery
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Attempt to create anti-dragon artillery pieces, using whatever combination of engineering, enchanting, and runework you can manage to wrangle together.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon+Panpan-AV
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Commission an altar based on (boosted) Transformation of Kadon.
    --[X] Able to transform non-wizards.
    --[X] Optimized to reduce destructive consequences in case of miscast.
    --[X] Can only be activated by a Dwarf not currently being transformed.
    --[X] Can only be activated with one of three keystones.
    --[X] Transportable but heavy and unwieldy enough that even the resulting dragon can not just carry it away.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan An Opportunity
    - [X] MAX: Write a paper: Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish (Half Completed)
    - [X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures (FADING)
    - [X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
    - [X] Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    - [X] PENTHOUSE: Add security measures to your Penthouse to prevent forcible entry.
    - [X] SERENITY: Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy (TIMELESS)
    - [X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities (Consult with College of Heaven wizards to see if any have an 'Anti-Air Tower Of DOOM!' or similar blueprint lying around they don't have the funds for. Otherwise: Roiling Skies, Urannon's Thunderbolt, Chain Lightning.)
    - [X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there. (Staff Making, 1 College Favour)
    - [X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    - [X] Try to see through Pall of Darkness with your improved magical senses.
    - [X] The Gambler: Runesmith AV research.
    [X] Plan: Skaven Knowledge Bomb v2
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Create artillery emplacements with appropriate runic augmentation to supplement the new tower
    --[X] Suggested runes: Rune of Accuracy/Flakksson's Rune of Seeking for precision, Rune of Penetrating for damage
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmith in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there. (Staff Making, 1 College Favour)
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    --[X] Capable of the spells Lightning Storm for direct damage, Curse for debuffing hard targets, and Second Portent of Amul to buff gunnery (see above)
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Skavenslayer + Urannon's Thunderbolt
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities
    --[X] Capable of the spells Urannon's Thunderbolt for direct damage, Curse for debuffing hard targets, and Second Portent of Amul to buff gunnery
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [x] Attempt to establish diplomatic relations with the Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin with the ultimate goal of forming a mutual defense pact. The ultimate defense against a marauding dragon is a bigger badder
    [X] Plan: Skaven Knowledge Missile Launcher
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Collaborate on an anti-air artillery vehicle that can be used by non-wizards and specializes against dragons and ice dragons in particular.
    --[X] Request Light Wizard(s) to identify weaknesses of Ice Dragons.
    --[X] Request a Celestial Wizard(s) for the main enchantments.
    --[X] Request Runemaster(s) to add any helpful runework.
    --[X] Request Dwarf Engineer(s) to aid in basic vehicular mobility.
    --[X] Emphasize the potentially available budget and the results of the last such collaboration while headhunting for collaborators.
    --[X] Suggest the spells Lightning Storm, Urannon's Thunderbolt, Curse and Second Portent of Amul and the Runes of Accuracy and Flakksson's Seeking during brainstorming.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmith in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan Finishing Up Old Business Hubert Edition
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation(Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery (MOSTLY FADED)/Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish)
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures (FADING) (can be written by Johann).
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard. (NEW-ish)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery (MOSTLY FADED)
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander introduce a series of ciphers to the EIC to allow it to communicate internally in much greater security. (NEW)
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have firing platforms built around the Penthouse so that it can be defended from flyers or climbers without granting access to it.
    -[X] Write a paper: Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    -[X] Gain enough control of your attraction to smoke and gases to have it collect away from your face.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities (specify Dwarven Rune or College spell it would be based on; does not cost favour).
    --[X] A combination of Second Portent of Amul, Curse, and Lightning Storm, along with Wrath and Ruin if one of the Runelords could see to aligning the powers.
    -[X] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
    --[X] Anti-Dragon tower
    [X] Plan: Skaven Knowledge Bomb + Urannon's Thunderbolt
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities
    --[X] Capable of the spells Urannon's Thunderbolt for direct damage, Curse for debuffing hard targets, and Second Portent of Amul to buff gunnery (see below)
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Create artillery emplacements with appropriate runic augmentation to supplement the new tower
    --[X] Suggested runes: Rune of Accuracy/Flakksson's Rune of Seeking for precision, Rune of Penetrating for damage
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmith in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan All Out Research
    -[X] MAX: Study an artefact:
    -[X] JOHANN: Have him teach Adela what he knows of engineering.
    -[X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires. (NEW)
    -[X] ACTION 1: Current Task: Create and design an Anti-Air weapon and ask Gotri for help, but add enchantments to the bolts to make it able to target and hurt a dragon. This would be Smoke And Mirrors to teleport the bolt right next to the target after firing, then maybe Shadow Knives to deal damage,
    -[X] ACTION 2: Study an artefact: Ranald's Coin
    --[X]Gambler
    -[X] ACTION 3: Using what you've learned of how it reacts to Runes, create new means of storing and moving the Vitae in complete safety. (NEW)
    -[X] ACTION 4: Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
    -[X] SERENITY: Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish (Half Completed)
    -[X] COIN: The Gambler: Studying Ranald's Coin
    [X]Plan moving on (Dragon needs fill in)
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation: specify which. Must be taken with a 'dictate' action.
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    -[X] Serenity dictate Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: specify which.
    --[X] Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures (FADING) (can be written by Johann)
    -[X]DUCK: Work with Panoramia to try to implement the Waaaghsoak Mushrooms as an aid to spellcasting.
    -[X]EIC: Completely and over management of the EIC intelligence apparatus to the Hochlander. Will remove this section from future turns and regain the half-turn invested in it.
    -[X]Attempt to interest a young Runesmith with ambition and flexibility in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will give a selection of candidates)
    --[X]Gambler
    --[X]Move EIC half action to AV
    -[X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities (specify Dwarven Rune or College spell it would be based on; does not cost favour).
    -[X]Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Try to create them.
    -[X] Eshin Sorcerer paper
    [X] Plan: Skavenslayer with Less Vague Artillery+Panpan-Staff
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Attempt to create a network of anti-air artillery emplacements, featuring runed artillery, personal/Altar scale enchanted items to provide accuracy buffs, and a small reserve of specialist runed ammunition for the hardest targets.
    --[X] Suggested artillery runes: Rune of Accuracy/Flakksson's Rune of Seeking for precision, Rune of Penetrating for damage
    --[X] Suggested buffs: Trial and Error, Second Portent of Amul (not necessarily at the same time)
    --[X] Specialist bolts: (Master) Rune of Dragonslaying/Demonslaying, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Striking
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Fight Dragon with Dragon+Panpan-Staff
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Commission an altar based on (boosted) Transformation of Kadon.
    --[X] Able to transform non-wizards.
    --[X] Optimized to reduce destructive consequences in case of miscast.
    --[X] Can only be activated by a Dwarf not currently being transformed.
    --[X] Can only be activated with one of three keystones.
    --[X] Transportable but heavy and unwieldy enough that even the resulting dragon can not just carry it away.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Skavenslayer with Less Vague Artillery+Panpan-AV
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Attempt to create a network of anti-air artillery emplacements, featuring runed artillery, personal/Altar scale enchanted items to provide accuracy buffs, and a small reserve of specialist runed ammunition for the hardest targets.
    --[X] Suggested artillery runes: Rune of Accuracy/Flakksson's Rune of Seeking for precision, Rune of Penetrating for damage
    --[X] Suggested buffs: Trial and Error, Second Portent of Amul (not necessarily at the same time)
    --[X] Specialist bolts: (Master) Rune of Dragonslaying/Demonslaying, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Striking
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Staff Turning
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
    [X] Plan: Skaven Knowledge Bomb+Panpan-AV
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation.
    -[X] JOHANN: Write a paper: Ratling Gun mechanism and countermeasures
    -[X] DUCK: Spend time with Hubert to try to ensure a good relationship between him and magic, and between him and his identity as a Wizard.
    -[X] DUCK: Panoramia's about ready to test for Magister, but she's putting it off because she doesn't have a lot of free time to prepare. Work with her to help make the most of every spare minute.
    -[X] EIC: Lend the services of the Hochlander, and the EIC's intelligence and contacts, to Roswita to help track down the Talabeclanders buying peat from the vampires.
    -[X] Build a new tower with anti-dragon capabilities
    --[X] Capable of the spells Lightning Storm for direct damage, Curse for debuffing hard targets, and Second Portent of Amul to buff gunnery (see below)
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Create artillery emplacements with appropriate runic augmentation to supplement the new tower
    --[X] Suggested runes: Rune of Accuracy/Flakksson's Rune of Seeking for precision, Rune of Penetrating for damage
    -[X] Dictate papers:
    --[X] Queekish-Reikspiel Dictionary, including spoken Low Queekish
    --[X] Insight on Skaven tactics and strategy
    -[X] PENTHOUSE: Have a tower built atop Karag Nar
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Brief observations on Eshin Sorcery
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Damn, we're so close to dragon shenanigans. At first I thought it was ridiculous, and it is, but I'm really warming to it. But I'd be damn sad if it wins and we crit fail it, that'd be so disappointing.

If it's successful, we've totally got to pick out volunteers from the undumgi (or hilariously, a halfling) and train them up to badass dragon warriors.
 
To clarify, whatever wins is intended to be presented as a finished product at the end of this six-month period, though there might be a subvote if it turns out to be necessary.

chocolote12 said:
Uh, maybe variations on 'counterspelling' and our Waaaghbane trait? It is kind of hard to back up definitive statements in here, isn't it. Sorry about that. @BoneyM, would you be willing to chime in again on whether or not counterspelling attempts can be themselves interfered with?
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There's counterspelling by using raw magical power to nullify a spell head-on, and there's counterspelling by interfering with a spell as it is being cast.

Rafin said:
Edit: While we're at it, @BoneyM to the best of Mathilde's knowledge, is there a big difference between transforming a willing Human and transforming a willing Dwarf?
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Almost certainly yes. The exact difference, she's not so sure about.

Rafin said:
Can a target of a transformation be simply dispelled of it by an opponent castet even after the transformation has gone through successfully?
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You can dispel the lingering part of the spell that would allow them to turn back.

Rafin said:
Do magic altars independently using battle magic have a significant chance of causing massive destruction upon miscasting or being counterspelled?
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Depends what they're doing. If they're interrupted in the process of creating a big ol' fireball or whatever, yes. In the case of a dragon-making one, it'd be a bad time for whoever was halfway through being transformed.

Rafin said:
And lastly, is there anything unworkable, ambiguous, or not understandable to you in the following plan section?

-[] Commission an altar based on (boosted) Transformation of Kadon.
--[] Able to transform non-wizards.
--[] Optimized to reduce destructive consequences in case of miscast.
--[] Can only be activated by a Dwarf not currently being transformed.
--[] Can only be activated with one of three keystones.
--[] Transportable but heavy and unwieldy enough that even the resulting dragon can not just carry it away.
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Valid.
 
BoneyM said:
You can dispel the lingering part of the spell that would allow them to turn back.
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...that's a biiiiiig oof. I don't think I can support this plan anymore, as awesome as it is. Exposing our volunteers to the risks of being completely trapped seems extremely bad.

Though, would a second casting of Transformation of Kadon allow them to resume their original form? Or would their new form as a dragon be considered their original form for the second spell's purposes?
 
picklepikkl said:
...that's a biiiiiig oof. I don't think I can support this plan anymore, as awesome as it is. Exposing our volunteers to the risks of being completely trapped seems extremely bad.
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If there's an enemy dragon on the field, everyone is already exposed to the risk of being trapped in a permanent transformation into a corpse.

picklepikkl said:
Though, would a second casting of Transformation of Kadon allow them to resume their original form? Or would their new form as a dragon be considered their original form for the second spell's purposes?
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The Ambers might be able to work something out, but there's no guarantees.
 
Wait, @BoneyM it's possible to get stuck as a dragon? Like, an actual dragon, full stop?

Or would it be some horrible abomination that slowly goes insane with Dhar poisoning, or something?


picklepikkl said:
...that's a biiiiiig oof. I don't think I can support this plan anymore, as awesome as it is. Exposing our volunteers to the risks of being completely trapped seems extremely bad.

Though, would a second casting of Transformation of Kadon allow them to resume their original form? Or would their new form as a dragon be considered their original form for the second spell's purposes?
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I don't know, I was thinking the opposite. Dragons are awesome, we might find someone who'd volunteer to straight up become a dragon to dedicate themself to protecting their people. There are worse dates.

*Fates, but perhaps it's a sign form Ranald.
 
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