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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
Just a little warning that just because we write a paper on it doesn't mean everyone in the college will believe us, we have good starting, but some people...

also, I feel like that is to many papers now that they aren't popping out of the woodworks.

I would like to put max back on artefacts to work with his gold boy powers.
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I mean, if they don't believe the magister that has the official and absolute trust of a Dwarf King, who killed half a million greenskins in an instant with Burning Shadows, who finished the Slyvannia Purge and destroyed Castle Drakenhoff, who revolutionized the understanding of and countermeasures against greenskin magic, who recently invented a spell that has been adapted to and adopted by all eight Colleges of Magic, who has fought and defeated four different clans of Skaven, then the Patriarchs of the Colleges need to have some pointed words with some magisters, because at some point it's a major problem if the magisters of the Colleges have that much difficulty trusting the written and sworn word of other magisters in great standing.

Mopman43 said:
That one, I'm reasonably confident.

I personally think that Bray Shamans do the same thing with Ghur.
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But if that's the case, why do necromancers suffer so much from Dhar corruption while skaven sorcerers seemingly don't? If they aren't even touching or manipulating Dhar directly, they shouldn't be suffering more from dhar poisoning than, say, a Greatsword that spends a lot of time fighting undead.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
I mean, if they don't believe the magister that has the official and absolute trust of a Dwarf King, who killed half a million greenskins in an instant with Burning Shadows, who finished the Slyvannia Purge and destroyed Castle Drakenhoff, who revolutionized the understanding of and countermeasures against greenskin magic, who recently invented a spell that has been adapted to and adopted by all eight Colleges of Magic, who has fought and defeated four different clans of Skaven, then the Patriarchs of the Colleges need to have some pointed words with some magisters, because at some point it's a major problem if the magisters of the Colleges have that much difficulty trusting the written and sworn word of other magisters in great standing.
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Half of that is classified, and the other half is clearly exaggerated boasting. Odd, Gray Wizards are usually more subtle than that when they try to build up a reputation. Must be a newbie. :V
 
SaltyWaffles said:
But if that's the case, why do necromancers suffer so much from Dhar corruption while skaven sorcerers seemingly don't? If they aren't even touching or manipulating Dhar directly, they shouldn't be suffering more from dhar poisoning than, say, a Greatsword that spends a lot of time fighting undead.
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It's a Skaven thing, actually. They're just ridiculously immune to Warpstone and Dhar corruption and stuff. That they're often riddled with mutations anyways just goes to show how absolutely, stupidly addicted to it all they are.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
But if that's the case, why do necromancers suffer so much from Dhar corruption while skaven sorcerers seemingly don't? If they aren't even touching or manipulating Dhar directly, they shouldn't be suffering more from dhar poisoning than, say, a Greatsword that spends a lot of time fighting undead.
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The necromancers might be handling dhar more often. They might be spending more time in the immediate presence of dhar-leaking constructs. There might be differences in quantity. Skaven might tend not to live as long and be less likely to experience major corruption before dying of natural causes and/or skaven politics.

Or, yes, natural resistance.

ReImagined said:
Half of that is classified, and the other half is clearly exaggerated boasting. Odd, Gray Wizards are usually more subtle than that when they try to build up a reputation. Must be a newbie. :V
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Surely the Grey College has undertaken its own subtle (naturally) and thorough (of course) investigations to ensure that our more outlandish claims are true. It would be very bad for the reputation of the College's senior management to be taken in by the Warhammer Fantasy equivalent of Gilderoy Lockhart. And we do have people vouching for us at the highest levels.

Also, as noted by someone else, we can very easily have the paper on Skaven sorcerors be published by the college with the note that it is by the same person who wrote the Skaven translation dictionary, without actually naming ourselves. This makes it less credible that we'd be doing it just for the boost to our reputation, since, well, nobody knows the name of the person involved unless they have need-to-know. And the people who DO have need-to-know are the ones with the greatest ability to independently verify the information and the honesty of the author anyway!
 
Simon_Jester said:
Surely the Grey College has undertaken its own subtle (naturally) and thorough (of course) investigations to ensure that our more outlandish claims are true. It would be very bad for the reputation of the College's senior management to be taken in by the Warhammer Fantasy equivalent of Gilderoy Lockhart. And we do have people vouching for us at the highest levels.

Also, as noted by someone else, we can very easily have the paper on Skaven sorcerors be published by the college with the note that it is by the same person who wrote the Skaven translation dictionary, without actually naming ourselves. This makes it less credible that we'd be doing it just for the boost to our reputation, since, well, nobody knows the name of the person involved unless they have need-to-know. And the people who DO have need-to-know are the ones with the greatest ability to independently verify the information and the honesty of the author anyway!
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The Gray College as an organization, sure. Algard probably likes us. Random Magister #37, well, who knows what competencies, interests, access levels, etc they have?

The original objection was:

Jyn Ryvia said:
Just a little warning that just because we write a paper on it doesn't mean everyone in the college will believe us, we have good starting, but some people...
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As for the rep bit, reputation only matters if we're publishing as Mathilde Weber instead of Magister Gray. If it's the latter, then our reputation is moot, because anonymous people aren't supposed to have reputations.
 
Right. What I'm saying is that if "a report on Skaven Ulgu-using sorcerors" is published by "Magister Gray, author of the Skaven Dictionary," with the seal of approval of the College's senior membership... well, the people who most need to read it and be warned of it will mostly believe it. Good enough.
 
shepsquared said:
We haven't cared about not being believed when we published stuff before, why bother worrying now?
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One of my favorite throwaway world building moments was the passive aggressive paper refuting the eusocial nature of the We by one Magister followed by the Amber Duo slapping him down with a rebuttal of his paper.
People will disbelieve us, I want them too because it gives other characters in the story opportunity to express agency and builds loyalty.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
@BoneyM
A while back, you mentioned how the Colleges don't think that Skaven has actual sorcerers/mages, and that even bringing the corpse of the Eshin Sorcerer-Assassin wouldn't mean anything because a corpse doesn't prove he could wield magic.
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The disagreement isn't on the existence of mages in general, but Eshin Sorcerer-Assassins specifically, as distinct from Grey Seers or Warlock-Engineers. But as pointed out, there is a paper to be written on the subject.
 
Heh. Omake idea: Francesco's reaction and experience being told (via message from Wolf over breakfast, probably) that The Wizard has An Exciting Job for him, as translator/negotiator with the Ice Dragon. :V

Edit: Another, more serious, Omake idea, around the viewpoint of the other people on the mundane, everyday weirdness that is totally accepted in Mathildes' life.
We know The Wizard rides her tireless Eldritch Shadow-Horse up and down the main stairs of Karag Nar to her penthouse almost daily, on some mysterious errand or great feat.
(And that she obviously made a Pact With The Gods never to take up a Pestle in the kitchen. Though some say a great warrior fed her cursed pie, which made her forget all culinary skills.)
Is there a small business holder who she passes on the way? Maybe it's the same one who sells her her morning pastry and small beer?
 
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Alliterate said:
Heh. Omake idea: Francesco's reaction and experience being told (via message from Wolf over breakfast, probably) that The Wizard has An Exciting Job for him, as translator/negotiator with the Ice Dragon. :V

Edit: Another, more serious, Omake idea, around the viewpoint of the other people on the mundane, everyday weirdness that is totally accepted in Mathildes' life.
We know The Wizard rides her tireless Eldritch Shadow-Horse up and down the main stairs of Karag Nar to her penthouse almost daily, on some mysterious errand or great feat.
(And that she obviously made a Pact With The Gods never to take up a Pestle in the kitchen. Though some say a great warrior fed her cursed pie, which made her forget all culinary skills.)
Is there a small business holder who she passes on the way? Maybe it's the same one who sells her her morning pastry and small beer?
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It would be a interesting to see the POV of the patrons of her favorite food court or pub slowly go from scared or awd to used to that wierdo in the corner.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
But if that's the case, why do necromancers suffer so much from Dhar corruption while skaven sorcerers seemingly don't? If they aren't even touching or manipulating Dhar directly, they shouldn't be suffering more from dhar poisoning than, say, a Greatsword that spends a lot of time fighting undead.
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Because Skaven are already innately paranoid treacherous megalomaniacs. They are used to being that way.
 
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Oberleutnant Snuggles
  • Apocrypha
    • Have some very amateurish Omake.
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    Work in the Karag Eight Peaks army was tough, so many to oversee, so many to discipline, so many rats to catch. Truly the organization would grind to a halt without Oberleutnant Snuggles being around to deal with everything. That's why she was so glad to be back in the Offizierskazino, overlooking the mannschaftsheim where the two-legs played with their cards to build morale.

    She had just finished her afternoon nap when she felt that unmistakable itch at the back of her neck that a superior was watching, and that could only mean that orders were about to be delivered. She took a deep breath, steadying herself before the inevitable orders flowed into her mind like cold milk, showing her the face of one of the zivilists currently in the room and the impending theft it was going to perform.

    Snuggles stretched out and lifted her head to glare at the offending party. She really didn't want to move from her already warmed-up spot, and neither was her two-legged putzer around to deal with the problem. Fortunately, orders and water both flowed downwards.

    "Schütze Franz!", she yowled, barely looking up to acknowledge the calico kitten as he shot to his paws.

    "S-schütze Franz present, Oberleutnant!", the kitten mewled in what was barely passable parlance and stood at attention. They truly let everyone into the army these days, Snowball mused as she gave a flick towards the offending zivilist with her tail.

    "Orders from the Generalfeldmarschall. Deal with the issue."

    "Y-yes, Oberleutnant!", the kitten replied and lept down from the perch.

    Oberleutnant Snuggles stretched out on her favorite spot once more, her sharp ears clearly picking out the wince as the schützes teeth dug into the ankle of the offending zivilizt, and the scuffle as it was led out of the mannschaftsheim.

    Truly, it was hard work being an officer in the army, she mused and yawned, dozing off once more for her evening nap as the two-legs kept playing, unknowing of how much the Oberleutnant sacrificed for them.
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    I'll pre-emptively state that I'm not a native English speaker and apologize for all the grammatical issues.
     
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    • Nice work, Oberleutnant Snuggles. Disaster averted.

    I wonder, is Mathilde a creature of habit? 'Found a good pastry maker, action item checked. Source of tasty baked goods identified' and then she sticks with them as part of her routine?

    Or one who craves variety and novelty? 'I heard about a new little Estallian bar opening in the Platz, offering small portions of various salted meats with their wine!'

    Or one who values convenience? 'This place is decent enough and right on the Staircase.'
     
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    I wonder, is Mathilde a creature of habit? 'Found a good pastry maker, action item checked. Source of tasty baked goods identified' and then she sticks with them as part of her routine?

    Or one who craves variety and novelty? 'I heard about a new little Estallian bar opening in the Platz, offering small portions of various salted meats with their wine!'

    Or one who values convenience? 'This place is decent enough and right on the Staircase.'
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    If her eating habits are anything like the threads voting habits, she looks for something she likes, eats nothing but that for a few months, then she looks for something else and then eats only that for the next few months and repeat...

    a bit like my sister now that I think about it.

    edit: also, does it say something that I'm generally interested in the off screen eating habits of a fictional character?
     
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    Jyn Ryvia said:
    If her eating habits are anything like the threads voting habits, she looks for something she likes, eats nothing but that for a few months, then she looks for something else and then eats only that for the next few months and repeat...

    a bit like my sister now that I think about it.

    edit: also, does it say something that I'm generally interested in the off screen eating habits of a fictional character?
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    I've always imagined Mathilde to be somewhat of a snacker. A snacker in the sense of "I'm not sure when I'll have time for my next meal so I might as well get something for the road."

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    "Haven't you seen a whisk before?" You give her a blank look. "Oh, come on. Even the Grey Order needs to eat."

    "I went straight from the College to Eagle Castle." You rotate the whisk in your hand, considering it. "Never had to learn. Is it some kind of pestle?"
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    We do know that Mathilde can't cook, and that soggy pie coated in brandy suggest that they do have some idea of flambé cooking (Especially with the Halflings around). If I were to peg Mathilde for something, I'd suggest stews. A nice warm stew when the rooms are chilly, and a lot of sandwiches and pies when she's working, and that's the 'ye olden pie' when the crust was just a shell of water and flour to preserve the innards, that won't get cold when she's focusing on something and forgetting to eat (again).
     
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    I understood I need to add King Kazador's sons, and some explanations about my choices.

    [X] Journeywoman Panoramia
    She's funny. We have enough common ground, but not too much.

    [X] Elector Countess Roswita van Hal
    She's somehow funny.

    [X] Ambassador Daroir
    We may try, why not? I don't think it will work well, but I can't help but vote for the only confirmed single elf (since Asarnil is write-in and have Deathfang, and we don't sure if Cadaeth is an elf at all) available.

    [X] Journeyman Maximilian de Gaynesford
    He's dependable. We have a lot of common topics for conversation. It's something at least. We can take glance if there is anything more.

    [x] Asarnil and Deathfang
    :V

    [nope] Asarnil the Dragonlord
    I don't want to break an existed couple.

    [nope] Journeyman Hubert Denzel
    [nope] General Soizic
    I think we should find out if they are together before trying anything. We know that there is something between them, but how serious is it?

    [X] Vicereine Cadaeth
    Treesome with Panoramia. :V

    [X] King Kazador's sons
    In case someone of them at least a half as cool as their father.

    [:whistle:] Ranald and Shallya
    Shenanigans
    [X] Magisters Esbern and Seija
     
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