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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Plan Dictionaries now, powerstones for AV stuff and jazz

[X] Plan Dictionaries now, Runelord checks out AV stuff and jazz
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Wow, Belegar is going to lie? And he'll somehow get his workmen to back him up? Surprising, but very good in this case.
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The money has a Grudge. It was unavailable to be withdrawn thus violating the purpose of storing it in the bank. In the absence of legal claimants, fulfilling the Grudge against those who closed the First Bank of Karak Eight Peaks takes priority, and the best way for money to do that is to be spent against them.
 
picklepikkl said:
My position has always been "the time to grab a runelord and get their take on the usefulness of AV for recharging their runes at such time as we can answer their basic questions, like 'what happens if you spill it on a person' and 'how do you make it turn from a liquid into a localized burst of Winds'."

Whether we do it as part of an official project or just yolo swagging through this as a side project, I am pretty sure that next turn would be a reasonable time to pay the favor and get a bit of Kragg's time.
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Kragg is busy with Bork, lets give Thorek a shot at it, he is more interested in new stuff anyways, as boney said, Kragg spent centuries playing with the same runes trying to make new stuff, Thorek is the guy who goes out to find new(old?) shit.

plus, he needs something to one up Kragg, lets use that motivation.
 
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@BoneyM: In the absence of a designated Gambit that covers the subject, what is Mathilde likely to say about the Battle of the Caldera to Qrech if he asks what all the excitement was about?
Jyn Ryvia said:
Kragg is busy with Bork, lets give Thorek a shot at it, he is more interested in new stuff anyways, as boney said, Kragg spent centuries playing with the same runes trying to make new stuff, Thorek is the guy who goes out to find new(old?) shit.
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Counterargument: I love Kragg and want to make him happy, whereas Thorek I don't care about.
 
picklepikkl said:
@BoneyM: In the absence of a designated Gambit that covers the subject, what is Mathilde likely to say about the Battle of the Caldera to Qrech if he asks what all the excitement was about?

Counterargument: I love Kragg and want to make him happy, whereas Thorek I don't care about.
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you don't care about Thorek because we haven't done anything with him, plus this shit is not going to make him happy, expesally if we are taking from his bork time.
 
BoneyM said:
Dragon.
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There's an awful lot of explanatory power wrapped up in that one word, I guess. Thanks.

Maybe after this is all over and we've gotten as much as we can out of him, we can use a social action on him and let him know that he helped us destroy Traitor-Clan Mors. I think that would make him happy, or at least satisfied, which is almost the same thing.
Jyn Ryvia said:
you don't care about Thorek because we haven't done anything with him, plus this shit is not going to make him happy, expesally if we are taking from his bork time.
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"Hey, want to do an Ancestor Rune solo whenever you want?" feels like the sort of thing that would bring a smile to his face.
picklepikkl said:
God, the conversation with Kragg about the box is just going to be a complete confirmation of everything he believes about us, humans, magic, everything.

Mathilde: So, when I was a wee apprentice I screwed up pretty badly while trying to cast a spell...
Kragg: I hate this already. Go on.
Mathilde: ...and summoned a daemonic serpent that stalked me from behind mirrors...
Kragg: NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE SUMMONING DAEMONS WHEN THEY SCREW UP A RUNE, HAVE YOU?
Mathilde: ...and I didn't tell my Master even though I knew I should because I was embarrassed...
Kragg: oh my Ancestors, umgi don't take their safety briefings seriously, never in my darkest dreams did I imagine this
Mathilde: ...but I successfully avoided reflections for seven years until I managed to find a design for a cage made out of mirrors in a book by a master artisan...
Kragg: You consulted the wisdom of elder craftsmen? This is the first sensible thing you've said so far.
Mathilde: ...but as I tried to lure it into the cage something strange and irreproducible happened...
Kragg: So, a normal day in your life, understood.
Mathilde: ...and I trapped it in a horrific state of eternal dying but never actually being dead...
Kragg: Of course you did.
Mathilde: ...and a strange substance started leaking from the box, incredibly magically powerful...
Kragg: ...
Mathilde: ...so I verified that it wouldn't turn into Dhar, and then locked it up and didn't tell anyone about it, including my Master...
Kragg: ...
Mathilde: ...seven years went by and I didn't investigate it at all, I just kept accumulating gallons of the stuff...
Kragg: ...
Mathilde: ...until just recently, I finally found the time to look into it, and I'm pretty sure that with a bit of work I can let you use Ancestor Runes whenever you want?
Kragg: I'm adopting you. You are my daughter now.
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But that's an argument for another day.
 
[X] Spoken Queekish with better gambits
[X] Plan: Spoken Queekish v4 with Better Max and Better Paper
[X] Plan: Spoken Queekish v4 with Better Max
 
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Guess there's no harm in also approval voting the better gambits one too.

[X] Spoken Queekish with better gambits

[X] Plan: Spoken Queekish v4
 
[X] Plan Dictionaries now, powerstones for AV stuff and jazz

[X] Plan Dictionaries now, Runelord checks out AV stuff and jazz

[X] Plan Redshirt v2

As I've said before, I object to wasting AP on Spoken Queekish.
 
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BoneyM said:
Added EIC option:
[ ] Sell some of the Grand Urbaz Bank coins to collectors and museums.

As with the other related option, it will be available until the smelting.
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Yay. We can probably pry an EIC action out of the AP Hell some time within the next seven turns.

Jyn Ryvia said:
.... this smells like a trap.

yes, we could get some money and rep.

but its also evidence of what Bro-king is doing and could cose problems if someone puts two and two together...
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No one is going to question a few handfuls of old coin being found in a reconquered Karak.
Bank vaults of foreign currency would be notable but a few of each type will only ever be known about by a niche group of intellectuals.
 
I don't know about AV, but Thorek actually might be the runelord to ask for the Waystones.

After all, he was the one that noticed the surge, and he's someone willing to play ball with politics, unlike Kragg.

Something to keep in mind.
 
nexuseye said:
What exactly was Gotri working on anyway? I can't seem to remember.
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He was working on a system to help defend the underground sections of the Karak. It likely was going to use pipes and boiling steam to cook enemies alive. The newly reclaimed Karak is just too big for such a system right now. He might revisit it later but standard dwarf defenses will have to do now.
 
BoneyM said:
The Eastern Imperial Company
Your outstanding debt: 450 crowns
Your share of EIC profits: 175 crowns / turn
Current Focus of the EIC: Handgun Factory in Blutdorf (Rollout to Army of Stirland)
[ ] Put policies in place that local news should be collected and sent to you (rumour mill).
[ ] Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
[ ] Start hiring handlers who can then start hiring informers and begin to collect non-public information.
[ ] Reach out to Julia to find out if she's interested in being poached or passing on information.
[ ] Reach out to Roswita, and have the EIC start passing on tips about any tax evasion or other naughtiness by the EIC's rivals.
[ ] Start building a paramilitary river navy to ensure the coming trade explosion doesn't lead to a similar explosion in riverine banditry.
[ ] Sell some of the Grand Urbaz Bank coins to collectors and museums on King Belegar's behalf.
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So, in three turns or less, our debt for the purchase of our 36% of the EIC will be paid off, and we'll be profiting- another fray in the edges of the Vow of Poverty, unless we find some other College-approvable, or at least ignorable, use for the cash.
Probably in this case, investing our share of the EIC profits into non-profit making EIC endeavours would be reasonable. Funding informants, that sort of thing.
BoneyM said:
The Eastern Imperial Company
Outstanding Debt: 1,450 gc
Your share of EIC Profits: 50 gc / turn
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On the subject of EIC profits-
Looking back at the being-fired, coffer-pouring turn in 2477, the EIC was making around 150gc profit per turn, or 300gc per year (I think we already had 36% by this point?)
Now, our ownership percentage and 175gc/turn implies annual profits are around 1,000gc, more than three times as much.
My impression is Wilhelmina still has the EIC in heavy growth mode, so is probably doing much more reinvesting of proceeds, over than paying out profit-as-dividends to the Shadowy (literally) Megacorp Boss us.

Nominal, growth-mode profits of 1,000gc annually- can we estimate rough turnover from that? Any medieval trade and economics scholars around to guesstimate profit percentages? But my guess has to be in the multiple tens of thousands, at the minimum, I'd think.
 
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Alliterate said:
So, in three turns or less, our debt for the purchase of our 36% of the EIC will be paid off, and we'll be profiting- another fray in the edges of the Vow of Poverty, unless we find some other College-approvable, or at least ignorable, use for the cash.
Probably in this case, investing our share of the EIC profits into non-profit making EIC endeavours would be reasonable. Funding informants, that sort of thing.

On the subject of EIC profits-
Looking back at the being-fired, coffer-pouring turn in 2477, the EIC was making around 150gc profit per turn, or 300gc per year (I think we already had 36% by this point?)
Now, our ownership percentage and 175gc/turn implies annual profits are around 1,000gc, more than three times as much.
My impression is Wilhelmina still has the EIC in heavy growth mode, so is probably doing much more reinvesting of proceeds, over than paying out profit-as-dividends to the Shadowy (literally) Megacorp Boss us.

Nominal, growth-mode profits of 1,000gc annually- can we estimate rough turnover from that? Any medieval trade and economics scholars around to guesstimate profit percentages? But my guess has to be in the multiple tens of thousands, at the minimum, I'd think.
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Truthfully the EIC isn't even in their final form. They have been focusing on river trade in preparation for the canal. Once that canal is working they are going to explode in profits.

There is also the soon to be silk industry. The EIC has a monopoly on trade with Karag Nar. They will be the ones able to move the silk from K8P to the market. They are going to explode in profits pretty soon.
 
So... when our per-turn cash profits top 500gc and up, who's looking forward to another conversation with the Bursar? :V
"I've ensured we only sail in solidly Imperial-aligned waters, but it turns out the fish are just so patriotic that they can't keep from jumping onboard anyway."
 
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Alliterate said:
So... when our per-turn cash profits top 500gc and up, who's looking forward to another conversation with the Bursar? :V
"I've ensured we only sail in solidly Imperial-aligned waters, but it turns out the fish are just so patriotic that they can't keep from jumping onboard anyway."
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"look, just because all the other Lords Magister can't get their spy networks to turn a profit doesn't mean it's my problem" :V
 
Alliterate said:
Looking back at the being-fired, coffer-pouring turn in 2477, the EIC was making around 150gc profit per turn, or 300gc per year (I think we already had 36% by this point?)
Now, our ownership percentage and 175gc/turn implies annual profits are around 1,000gc, more than three times as much.
My impression is Wilhelmina still has the EIC in heavy growth mode, so is probably doing much more reinvesting of proceeds, over than paying out profit-as-dividends to the Shadowy (literally) Megacorp Boss us.

Nominal, growth-mode profits of 1,000gc annually- can we estimate rough turnover from that? Any medieval trade and economics scholars around to guesstimate profit percentages? But my guess has to be in the multiple tens of thousands, at the minimum, I'd think.
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its really hard to say just how wealthy Mathy is going to be once the we start making that 300gc per year, because most of the people we could compare it to that have that kind of cash flow have it attached to land, armies etc etc. instead of just 'cash to pocket'.

Mathy might legit be in a position in the near future where she won't be anywhere never one of the 'richest' people in the old world, but might be one of the top 100 of people with disposable income. as in Anton, a baron, will have less then her to just spend on anything he takes a fancy to, even though if you took all his assets overall he would have way more then her.
 
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