- Location
- Finland
The whole "take over 5 mountains" thing probably did not help.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
I think we can turn AV liquid into winds by shaking it vigorously, pickle - but rather than find out ourselves why not go to the Runesmith directly? - last turn the argument was that we should have the basic safety notes to hand them, well... now we have those notes.
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I think that anything involving skraven-tech and writings are more efficient or have better outcomes after (at least one) dictionary is completed tbh (at least if they are actions Mathilde is not taking part in).
Also, i dislike this
-[] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to Dwarven magic-dampening Runes. (2 Dwarf favours)
compared to
[ ] Attempt to interest one of the currently present Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (Will start at the top and work your way down)
Respectfully, I don't think that's going to happen; we can't build up a store of actions, so we take a risk that next turn everything won't catch fire and that we have time to recover, and overwork each time it is possible to do so.
Edit: While I also am ok with gyropad instead of a new tower, would anyone mind linking to the possible tower list? I would like to be more sure about how I feel on this choice. I'd really appreciate it, and I think others might be mildly curious too!
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Most of my reasoning here stands, but I'll explain the changes.
[ ] Plan Redshirt v2
[ ] MAX: Receive dictation: Queekish-Khazalid Lexicon
[ ] JOHANN: Study an artefact: Black Gem.
[ ] DUCK: Johann's investigation into the ratling gun has hit a wall. See if you can help.
[ ] EIC: Put policies in place that local news should be collected and sent to you (rumour mill).
[ ] Seek to build a stronger rapport with Qrech, and provide enough sources of mental stimulation that you can turn your attention elsewhere.
-[ ] Gambit: Convince Qrech that the Under-Empire has no way of knowing he's even alive, and that he should prioritize the comfort with which he will live the rest of his life.
[ ] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there x2:
-[ ] Waystone Fundamentals
-[ ] Practical Diplomacy
[ ] Dictate papers: Queekish-Khazalid Lexicon
-[ ] COIN: The Gambler
[ ] Investigate the exact circumstances required to induce a transformation.
[ ] BUILD: Have a gyrocopter landing pad built into your balcony.
[ ] SERENITY: Queekish-Reikspiel Lexicon (1/2)
I've been convinced that moving forward on our Skaven artifact backlog should be a higher priority, especially since I wasn't using the Johann and Duckling actions for anything particularly valuable anyhow.
With our ability to read Queekish, we can make major process on the Rattling Gun by providing translations of the Warp-Engineer's notes, and of the rest of the artifact stockpile, the Black Gem has had the most thread interest, so I'm fine with it getting priority.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I don't think he is still actively banging his head against it every turn, so I think we'd benefit more if we wait one more turn, since that's when we will have the dictionary if we go with your plan.
Honestly, the spending favor to pour this stuff on a rune is my least favorite option. Not because it costs something, but because if we get a Runesmith to look at it (which we definitely will at some point) then this experiment and others like it will be some of the first that he'll do, without us having to spend additional AP on it.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
We aren't actually learning it from nothing given we have a high-level grasp of written queekish already.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
Better question, now that I've read the rest of your response to the book part:
Why do you think a dictionary/reading enemies mail is Heterodox to the Dwarves? They no doubt have Elgi Dictionaries, and read Elgi mail.
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Yeah, that was their point: "given that learning it from nothing takes 2-4 actions, and we're not learning it from nothing, we can wrap it up quickly."
Ah, OK. I guess I counted wrong on the cash. Thanks!
(Though maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, because I personally would have been fine shelling out for those books, but that's not what the voters supported
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Being able to regrow ironwood trees would be valuable but we don't know a lot about them other than they are strong as iron and trees. Really it depends on what Boney decides.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Tangentially:
I am going to politely request that planmakers who are using Overwork to squeeze in a fifth personal action note that in their plans somewhere. It's no longer the case that a specific action is being Overworked in a way that mechanically matters, but I think it is useful to indicate that Overwork is happening so that voters can more easily make informed choices about Overwork vs. non-Overwork plans, rather than counting all the actions and keeping track of which ones are personals and which ones are free (since some people have said that they want to keep Overwork in reserve for an emergency).
Tagging @Redshirt Army, @LightLan, @Abhorsen, and @Lupercal as people I remember off the top of my head having made plans.
I am going to politely request that planmakers who are using Overwork to squeeze in a fifth personal action note that in their plans somewhere. It's no longer the case that a specific action is being Overworked in a way that mechanically matters, but I think it is useful to indicate that Overwork is happening so that voters can more easily make informed choices about Overwork vs. non-Overwork plans, rather than counting all the actions and keeping track of which ones are personals and which ones are free (since some people have said that they want to keep Overwork in reserve for an emergency).
Tagging @Redshirt Army, @LightLan, @Abhorsen, and @Lupercal as people I remember off the top of my head having made plans.
Those dwarf antique furniture fans are going to go rabid around the point you say "cut off a piece"
Dwarves have been trying and failing to restore their Wutroth groves for millennia. Jade Wizards might have an advantage, but the trees grow extremely slow and part of their growth cycle is having their outer bark worn smooth by high-altitude winds, so it can't be accelerated. So it would literally be the work of a lifetime to try.
we tested how to not make it explode, the other half of that Experiment is to figure out every way we can make it explode.
It's important in research To not skip the fundamentals before going to the advance stuff, we could miss out interaction because we didn't know to look forward.
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- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
When in Rome... Overreach like the Dawi overreach.
Afaik most plans currently aren't doing overwork. Not that I'd be against it.
Edit: Seems I was wrong. Which means that I second people mentioning that they are doing overwork.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
I get that Karak Azgal might not be as fortified as the others, but isn't it also a bit out of the way? I will say that I'd much rather see us fortifying up and taking Thunder Mountain or Karak Drazh.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Especially since our most obvious long-term goal is being able to make it explode 1) safely 2) on-demand.
Thats what is known as a rarity in business: a deal in which both sides feel like they got the best of the deal.
It comes from value disparities.
And the key one here being missed by Mathilde is that the We wish to be part of the Karak-We, as such, while they're not sure how to go about doing so, they're going to take the behaviour of valuable We-components to the We, as how the We relates to Karak-We.
So in essence, the We are behaving like a Breeder-We to the We: representing a valuable, hard to replace resource, they will see to ensuring they have sufficient resources to continue contributing to the We, and sufficient resources above that to increase their future value.
Desiring more than that doesn't make sense, after all storing food as We is not the most efficient course of action, stored We consume food, even at a slowed pace compared to active We, and its better to just make more silk and then store virtual food as gold.
Mmm, I personally guess the We sort of grew on her.
That said Esmeralda might have herself a convert if she could figure out how to prepare liquid food for the We.
One of the major lifespan hits for spiders is that vomitting digestive onto their prey and then slurping it up is pretty hard on their body.
Spiders fed on sugar solution actually live longer because of that.
Mathilde Eye View: [Pleasant sunlit glade where puppies frolic]
Everyone Else's View: [A maze of tunnels where this man sized wolf could appear anywhere, anytime in the complex, with controls to inflict a variety of horrible deaths from safety and comfort]
:3
I ship it.
Also reading up on the bird, its species are apparently a notorious thief of shiny things.
...apparently they like to play with fire by folklore, and are also associated with inflicting misfortune if they are killed.
Its definitely a proper bird for Ranald.
On the bright side its basically a biomass import tunnel...
Nothing for it but populating Eight Peaks such that we could patrol regularly.
Wise choice, considering the fortifications would take too long to actually become threatening to an Emperor Dragon AND that it gets to see you build weapons to use against it.
Theres going to be so much filling in, considering we won't have enough dwarfpower to garrison then anywhere close to capacity.
That is...amazing.
The dragon not only never, in its thousands of years, crossed a dwarf in a way that led to an outstanding recorded Grudge. It had indirectly contributed to dwarven well being through deterrence, and it had spent three hundred years attacking Druchii and Drucchii exclusively.
...also holy shit this dragon can hold a grudge.
Like way back "Though you're blessed with not being an elf"
This dragon:
-Does not like elves
-Likes gold
-Is immensely patient and gives no fucks
This dragon may have certain similarities to dwarves.
*Eyes Kragg*
Good luck dealing with Master Craftsmen T-posing at each other.
Gotri: "It was almost ready to go and then you killed all the targets"[grumblegrumble]
Its like Good ENough is a bad word.
It'd definitely be better with some flamethrowers though.
Nothing for motivating bigger families too, to know that theres wealth to be had, if only they had enough skilled hands.
Huh, nice and symbolic too.
Mhonar was never occupied by enemies.
Bok held it and kept it clear, even when the Hold fell.
The last defender of the Karak of before yet stands.
You know, side note, after we're done, you think Ulthuan and Laurelorn would acquire a copy of the dictionary and make their own version or be too proud to do it?
You can positively hear the cheer of the miners there huh?
Its just one line, but those miners are some dwarves with no dour in them.
...by Ranald how hard did they push that the dead were spontaneously animating?!
Also unsurprisingly the dead attacked their former Clanmates.
They were sent in to disarm the traps via force of numbers.
Well...the Hammerers were polite about it but "as long as no magic is used" *eyes Mathilde*.
Thats some good runework and good engineering, to still work after all that abuse.
Could use some lubricants though.
Well, theres some things money can't buy.
Manpower to hold a doomed Karak is one of those.
Theres going to be some extremely excited coin collectors. Hopefully they put aside a tithe in memoriam
Those were antique masterworks I'd guess, if they were sealed in the vault in the fall.
Nice chairs.
Huh, seems logical, trade with non-Dwarves would count as foreign diplomacy and thus be a matter for a Chancellor.
Also thats a good trick with the lock, you have to hold the ancestral hammer and thus key to the vault up against the lock for long enough to activate it, which anyone who doesn't know the secret would have assumed it didn't work and tried something else eh?
Mathilde: "Dear Bursar, today a whale jumped onto my boat..."
Reckon those worries about beggaring the Karak are bust.
If it can be bought for gold, the Karak can buy it.
Ought to have been some mightly fine copper if he bought it from the dwarves...but knowing Tilean Merchant reputations, he probably went to the dwarves to do banking, bought copper along the way from someone else for cheap, and then let the buyer assume it was dwarf quality copper.
Reckon the Border Princes might be awfully interested in banking with Eight Peaks. Much harder to abscond with their treasuries that way.
Kind of wish we could keep a coin from each minting.
Many of them are no doubt lost to history.
Those coin collectors are going to need new underwear...and then faint if they learn its been melted down.
High-altitude winds, you say?
Hmmm, sounds like a joint Jade-Celestial project to me!
- Location
- Earth
Changelog:
Noted the Overwork.
Switched Johann looking at the breathing mask to Johann looking at the black gem.
Switched AV anti magic runes to exact circumstances of inducing a transformation.
[] Plan: Spoken Queekish v4
-[] Contains one Overwork action
-[][MAX] See if you can find more Queekish within those books: All Under-Karagril Clan Moulder books not bound in leather or written on vellum or parchment. Awaiting translation.
-[][JOHANN] Study an artefact: Unknown black gem, stolen from the Skaven.
-[][DUCK] Johann's investigation into the ratling gun has hit a wall. See if you can help
-[][EIC] Put policies in place that local news should be collected and sent to you (rumour mill).
-[] Seek to build a stronger rapport with Qrech, and provide enough sources of mental stimulation that you can turn your attention elsewhere.
-[] Try to convince him outright to teach you spoken Queekish.
--[] Deceiver: Continue with the Gambit that teaching you Queekish continues to cause discontent in the Grey Order and of course the Grey Order itself already has Queekish...
-[] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Waystones and Waystone maintenance
-[] Investigate the exact circumstances required to induce a transformation.
-[] Wolf is fully grown and a Very Good Boy. Train him. (increases his intelligence, he may learn to speak Praestantia)
-[][PENTHOUSE] Have a gyrocopter landing pad built into your balcony.
-[][SERENITY] Translated Eshin correspondence on the Skaven Civil War (TIMELESS)
-[][COIN] The Deceiver: Skaven Gambit
Noted the Overwork.
Switched Johann looking at the breathing mask to Johann looking at the black gem.
Switched AV anti magic runes to exact circumstances of inducing a transformation.
[] Plan: Spoken Queekish v4
-[] Contains one Overwork action
-[][MAX] See if you can find more Queekish within those books: All Under-Karagril Clan Moulder books not bound in leather or written on vellum or parchment. Awaiting translation.
-[][JOHANN] Study an artefact: Unknown black gem, stolen from the Skaven.
-[][DUCK] Johann's investigation into the ratling gun has hit a wall. See if you can help
-[][EIC] Put policies in place that local news should be collected and sent to you (rumour mill).
-[] Seek to build a stronger rapport with Qrech, and provide enough sources of mental stimulation that you can turn your attention elsewhere.
-[] Try to convince him outright to teach you spoken Queekish.
--[] Deceiver: Continue with the Gambit that teaching you Queekish continues to cause discontent in the Grey Order and of course the Grey Order itself already has Queekish...
-[] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: Waystones and Waystone maintenance
-[] Investigate the exact circumstances required to induce a transformation.
-[] Wolf is fully grown and a Very Good Boy. Train him. (increases his intelligence, he may learn to speak Praestantia)
-[][PENTHOUSE] Have a gyrocopter landing pad built into your balcony.
-[][SERENITY] Translated Eshin correspondence on the Skaven Civil War (TIMELESS)
-[][COIN] The Deceiver: Skaven Gambit
As someone in favour of building the Library of Dwarfxandria, *wince.* That trade vault undoubtedly has a wealth of historical information in it, and we're going to lose most of it.
Ah well.
One can hope. Still won't be everything, because not everything important will be obviously so, alas.
If we want to make a quality product - and given we're still on the project without local considerations, I'm pretty sure we do - we should be bringing in linguists. Yes, yes, it takes longer, but it looks like this is turning into a three turn thing anyway.
Assuming we're lucky enough that "spoken" Queekish consists sufficiently of things apparent to Dwarven senses and we're prepared to personally spend the time (AP) teaching them, sure.
I don't think we're terribly likely to get that lucky; I consider it pretty probable that Spoken Queekish ends with only Mathilde being able to understand it, and the number of people we can teach being limited and not just by AP. And without there being local skaven to listen in on, that straight up doesn't interest me that much.
Oh yeah, going to bed now but something jogged my memory.
Investing in "No fuck off bandits/pirates" should be good for our merchants, and all those migrants heading down to settle, rather than get mugged.
Anyone interested in this option? Belegar's been having trouble hunting down the piracy targeting trade in the area, since dwarf ironclads are amazing at fighting off pirates but kind of suck at FINDING pirates, while merchants are unfortunately all too good at finding pirates with no ability to fight them off.
Investing in "No fuck off bandits/pirates" should be good for our merchants, and all those migrants heading down to settle, rather than get mugged.
- Pronouns
- They/It
I'm not particularly opposed to trying to ship Panoramia off to her magister exams.
Like sure she's not bothered because she's getting paid magister rates anyway and the only cost benefit is her getting 5% offf her wizard taxes. Money saved is money saved though!
Mainly I'd be interested to see what classes she took while she went ala Mathilde. We picked up a trait and like 5 or 6 spells over the course of like 3 months if I remember right. Taking some lectures applicable to the type of restorative work she's doing with the farmlands, maybe seeking out some tips on furthering the garbage goo turned hay 2.0 experiment, and widening her spell repertoire for utility and that elusive Magic Stat bump ain't Terrible.
Also she'd get to see her folks!
It's not a deciding factor in picking a plan for me, but I don't think it's pointless to encourage her to go for it.
Like sure she's not bothered because she's getting paid magister rates anyway and the only cost benefit is her getting 5% offf her wizard taxes. Money saved is money saved though!
Mainly I'd be interested to see what classes she took while she went ala Mathilde. We picked up a trait and like 5 or 6 spells over the course of like 3 months if I remember right. Taking some lectures applicable to the type of restorative work she's doing with the farmlands, maybe seeking out some tips on furthering the garbage goo turned hay 2.0 experiment, and widening her spell repertoire for utility and that elusive Magic Stat bump ain't Terrible.
Also she'd get to see her folks!
It's not a deciding factor in picking a plan for me, but I don't think it's pointless to encourage her to go for it.
We only need to teach it once, presumably with a lecture AP.
If they can be understood through a farsqueaker, then eavesdropping works fine even without special senses.
Remember mathilde spent three months there because she had literally nothing else to do. Panoramia literally can't leave for more than a month if she wants to avoid agricultural collapse. She'd just rush back, take the exams, and then hurry back before her fileds die.I'm not particularly opposed to trying to ship Panoramia off to her magister exams.
Like sure she's not bothered because she's getting paid magister rates anyway and the only cost benefit is her getting 5% offf her wizard taxes. Money saved is money saved though!
Mainly I'd be interested to see what classes she took while she went ala Mathilde. We picked up a trait and like 5 or 6 spells over the course of like 3 months if I remember right. Taking some lectures applicable to the type of restorative work she's doing with the farmlands, maybe seeking out some tips on furthering the garbage goo turned hay 2.0 experiment, and widening her spell repertoire for utility and that elusive Magic Stat bump ain't Terrible.
Also she'd get to see her folks!
It's not a deciding factor in picking a plan for me, but I don't think it's pointless to encourage her to go for it.
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... assuming the Farsqueaker is used with casual skaven and not a specific dialect of its own.
- Location
- Earth
I suspect Ulthuan will get their version through the Grey College and Teclis gets to style a bit on his colleges with told you it'd be useful.