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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
If we go to ulthuan in a dreadnaught the elves will sink it. Elves hate dwarfs and only dwarfs build dreadnaughts.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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So, odds the quest ends without the boon being spent? Pretty High now I'd say.
Possibly literally the worst possible way, as it will make the elves we want to impress hate us.
Possibly literally the worst possible way, as it will make the elves we want to impress hate us.
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- Location
- Singapore
Eh, it's going to probably sit unused at the Docks so long as we remain Loremaster, because we can't afford to go on multi-month expeditions all the time. If we move on however... a vote for the Dreadnought IMO is a vote ahead of time to have Mathilde travel the world once her days as Loremaster comes to an end and she returns to the status of Strollendrek.
And yeah, let's not show up in Ulthuan on a Dwarven Dreadnought shall we. That feels like a Diplo stat 1 tier move.
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Lets see:
-Library - Straight downgrade. There'd be less unused space so we can't get the best possible locations(we ideally want somewhere high on a peak, better for books if the climate is naturally cool, and less likely for gribblies to burrow in), there'd be less turns putting out the word to the caravans, less time for the scribes to get copying to feed the hungry, hungry maw of the library. Money doesn't improve it at all, the bottleneck is transport and production.
-Research institute - Ambivalent. We DO lose effective AP the longer it takes to set up, but at the same time its also easier for a richer and proven stable Eight Peaks to attract skilled academics willing to move out into the boonies, because there'd be an economy capable of meeting their luxuries wants.
-Sanctuary/Branch College - Same with the research institute, but less urgently so. No spellcaster persecution on such a scale, and it'd probably be easier to justify a bit later on to our Imperial superiors(the Colleges will understand but political fiction wise we'd really want either Lord Magister or Great Deed to paper it over so the fearful ones don't freak)
-Dreadnought - Well its definitely improved by waiting. I don't see why I'd want it, but if you want a dreadnought you want to wait. Preferably dig another canal so you can sail it right up to Eight Peaks why no?
-Karag Mathilde - ...
I personally figured the debt was caused by Mathilde having a noodle incident or three as an apprentice. Like the snek.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Wizard debt is common for all wizard students. The fact that we might not have had it we hadnt chosen it just implies that we paid it off off screen. Wizardlings from a noble background have no debt as their family pay tuition.
- Location
- Australia
Don't forget Thorgrim's limited time free labour.
A research institute at this point shouldn't just be ivory Tower academics, but also explorers and adventurers of a more intellectual bent. they'll care much less about creature comforts as they won't actually be spending much time at the Karak, and instead using Belegar's sponsorship to fund expeditions. Karak Eight Peaks may even be more interesting to them now than later.
Also, we can always attract those more sedentary academics later if we found the institute/society now.
- Location
- Finland
We have an invitation, we can clear it ahead of time (and i don't think there is an actual war going atm).
- Location
- Singapore
Library: Worse comes to worse, perhaps we might have to build our Library near the snowline of Karak Ziflin, on the border between the Dragon and the rest of Ziflin. I doubt anybody is in a hurry to claim that area and it fulfills the requirements you've identified to locate the Library. But would anybody visit at the literal foot of an Emperor Hysh Dragon? How would a Hysh Dragon react to a giant repository of knowledge being parked beneath his house?
Research Institute: It sucks to lose those effective AP, but delays probably make this institution easier to build for many, many reasons. Then again, if the Satellite Campus of the Nuln Engineer's Guild takes off in the Eight Peaks, that probably represents a successful test-case that makes for a strong case of the viability of an Academic Research Institute at the Eight Peaks to prospective Academics and scribes, publishers, secretaries, research assistants and so on open to all races who are not current enemies of the Dawi.
Also, it isn't just Ivory Tower Academics we want, but also Explorers and Adventurers as @Alratan puts forth. I do think that if it becomes clear Mathilde's Research Interest such as the Waystones will be very well served by mounting expeditions (which are AP sinks), just the prospect of the Research Institute reducing the number of AP,or even rendering preparing for expeditions outright AP Free will probably make advocating for a Research Institute/Royal Society all the more persuasive.
Sanctuary: I can see the thread being more comfortable with a "branch", in the sense of a Wizard base (not a teaching institute) in the Eight Peaks if we can lay our hands on a Second Great Deed, or already made Lord Magister with or without the Great Deed.
Dreadnought: Can a Dreadnought sail up to Ulrikadin right now, I wonder? If Mathilde was to switch to adventuring to the wider world from her home in the Eight Peaks, I foresee Ulrikadin being our key port of departure.
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That does help, but I figure it's been said often enough that beating the dead horse isn't very useful
The end quality is likely similar, but just saying that its easier to recruit the more of a proven center of civilization it is. Not in terms of individuals, but in terms of recruitment pools.
Depends on how the GM interprets enough money. There will come a time when we get a vote on 'what boon do you want' with no ability to defer. I'm just somewhat frustrated that we will have to wade though who knows how many pages of circular discussion until we get there. I do not think another idea when the Library/Research institute will gain a plurality and the current winning vote does not allow delaying forever.
- Location
- Utrecht
It's a lot quieter than many other things that could be put beneath his house.
It would also justify librarians being extremely strict about noise levels.
The "Silence" signs would come "Sleeping emperor dragon" line. Becomes self enforcing that way
That does help, but I figure it's been said often enough that beating the dead horse isn't very useful
I think it's worth drilling into why KaK's workforce's presence makes such a difference. To me, it's because their may be expertise that has come with them that won't be so available to K8Ps for centuries, as that's how long it takes for dwarven grandmasters to train. For both the library and royal society, it may be vastly more expensive to have to import those same craftsmen who are currently working for free. Things like highest end dwarf glassware for alchemy/chemistry, for example, where the other things those craftsmen would be doing could more cheaply be replicated later by indigineous craftsmen, as currently I think that it's basic refurbishment they're focusing on. Even if the current set of craftdwarves can't meet the standard, for the duration of the next three years if we gave them jobs that would require very High end skill I think their pride would mean they'd write home and get the grandmasters to come,
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
The good thing about the Free Abel plan is that it isn't particularly time sensitive.
In fact, if we wait, Karak-We will have more spare resources to try and locate/reach Dwarven Hell!
In fact, if we wait, Karak-We will have more spare resources to try and locate/reach Dwarven Hell!
RANALD LIVES!!!
"Okay, so the Dwarf Engineer -> Stirland Repeater thing is a bit ambiguous, so I guess I'll roll to see if he's just going to go over the design or if he's going to look over the factory blueprints or if he full on visits Blutdorf or what..."
ANTON CAN YOU PLEASE MAYBE CHILL FOR ONE GODDAMN TURN
All according to Keikaku.
- Location
- Spain
"Okay, so the Dwarf Engineer -> Stirland Repeater thing is a bit ambiguous, so I guess I'll roll to see if he's just going to go over the design or if he's going to look over the factory blueprints or if he full on visits Blutdorf or what..."
ANTON CAN YOU PLEASE MAYBE CHILL FOR ONE GODDAMN TURN
Has Anton recruited Malakai Makaison?
Is this the content of the boofs from Cathay?
Because if it is we have found the Forbidden Scroll from Konoha
Maybe we should figure out what makes a good Luckamancy Charms breakfast
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
So just tossing out other possible boon ideas. What about establishing a bounty or quest system for adventures. Set up rewards and missions to dive into the nearby dwarf holds with the purpose of getting dwarf artifacts. I remember something about a dwarf outpost doing something with their old karak. Belegar would be able to fund much larger expeditions for mapping out old dwarf holds and reclaiming treasure.
We could get a first buy clause for any additional magical artifacts they find in those halls. Also by combining the stories from the adventures we could likely keep track of orc population density like what we did for the Hunter's Hills. One of the big thing though is that it would give BoneyM some additional meat for finding interesting stories or plots that we have to deal with from the reports of the adventures.
There are several goals for this boon. One is to establish a way for more humans to get used to working with dwarfs. This would improve multi-species cooperation thus reducing misunderstanding between order factions. Second it allows Mathilde to have a steady source of potentially interesting objects with out having to go out and search for them. This would save AP from finding things. Also if people are getting a little stir crazy it would give an easy way for us to go out on a quick 20 minute adventure. It would also aid Belegar. If any of the adventures find an important dwarf item than Belegar could get important politically clout for returning it to the rightful clan. It also applies pressure to the surrounding greenskin population by staying on the attack. Bands of human diving into orc held land and killing those they come across. Finally it could give K8P an early warning system. If the adventures are saying that orcs are gathering together then there may be a waaagh about to form.
This boon would allow for a more active form of knowledge acquisition by having adventures going out and reclaiming lost dwarf items without risking dwarf lives.
We could get a first buy clause for any additional magical artifacts they find in those halls. Also by combining the stories from the adventures we could likely keep track of orc population density like what we did for the Hunter's Hills. One of the big thing though is that it would give BoneyM some additional meat for finding interesting stories or plots that we have to deal with from the reports of the adventures.
There are several goals for this boon. One is to establish a way for more humans to get used to working with dwarfs. This would improve multi-species cooperation thus reducing misunderstanding between order factions. Second it allows Mathilde to have a steady source of potentially interesting objects with out having to go out and search for them. This would save AP from finding things. Also if people are getting a little stir crazy it would give an easy way for us to go out on a quick 20 minute adventure. It would also aid Belegar. If any of the adventures find an important dwarf item than Belegar could get important politically clout for returning it to the rightful clan. It also applies pressure to the surrounding greenskin population by staying on the attack. Bands of human diving into orc held land and killing those they come across. Finally it could give K8P an early warning system. If the adventures are saying that orcs are gathering together then there may be a waaagh about to form.
This boon would allow for a more active form of knowledge acquisition by having adventures going out and reclaiming lost dwarf items without risking dwarf lives.
- Location
- Singapore
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No, like proper military expeditions. Say that bretonian dukedom under threat. Have no fear, magister weber is here to help with her free merc army.
Or the college's know a chaos ritual going down but the empire can't spare the troops, well luckily a magister can afford an army funded by the dwarves.
We go fully american.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
... You know, there is a precedent for undead regiments being hirable as mercenaries.
Thanks, Richter Kreugar!
Thanks, Richter Kreugar!