chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
A vampire who bothers to practice their magical aim and some necromancer interns, if we're talking pure firepower.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Very much France. The wine-producing region is called Bordeleaux.
I mean, it's possible in that it's not technically impossible, but it's certainly not likely. Vampires can do terrible things with magic that gunpowder can never come close to.
It's varied quite a bit over the years on that front; in some editions the knights were genuinely noble and doing their utmost to better the lives of the peasantry.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Does your Bretonnia do the 'female spellcasters become Damsels, male children just get Disappeared by the Fay, Burn Male Wizards' thing?
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I thought it was "boys and girls both go to the same place, the boys just don't come back"?
I'd stick with the 'all magical kids go into the woods and only the girls come out again' but I'd come up with something less grimdark than the obvious for the boys. I'm a fan of the idea of Brettonia as the land of polite fictions, where, for example, it's true that women can't be knights, but women dress up as men to be knights anyway all the time and nobody says anything about the beardless lad with the high voice who's oddly private about bathing, and if the truth does come out in a way that nobody can pretend it didn't, then the 'punishment' is to Seek the Grail which gives them knightly status anyway.
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- Aotearoa
Right next door to Mousillon! Road trip!
There's always Witching Night (New Year bonfire):
"Under the light of both full moons, Bretonnians celebrate the power of the Lady to defend against evil magic, as exemplified in the Eighth Battle of Gilles the Uniter, and her blessing of good magic, as wielded by the Damsels. For the day of the festival, women are in charge, in a sign of respect for the Damsels. Great bonfires are built, and effigies representing (male) Wizards set upon them to be burned. Some areas try to obtain a real Wizard instead, but this is difficult. The fires are always lit by women."
I like this. We should go! Bretonnian nobles politely ignoring our obvious Wizard hat, shadowsteed and evident female-ness because we're a Knight. Unless they'd process us as an Empire Damsel. That works too.
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Sinsystems
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Personally I'd just go with the idea that all the male magical children are being trained by the Lady to become what is essentially Paladins to act as her army for when Chaos tries something potentially world ending. Or just her "Oh shit, EMERGENCY!" button.
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- Norway
I like this. Most European countries have a local legend about some great hero of the past (e.g. King Arthur, Olav the Holy, Charlemagne, Barbarossa, Ogier the Dane) sleeping in remote seclusion, to return in the country's hour of greatest need, but the Polish version in particular says that there's a whole army of the sort awaiting under the Giewont mountains. Warhammer could always do with more of those.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Pretty much the idea, I can imagine that whenever The Green Knight isn't out doing his lady's wishes he is training the boys in the art of the Knight.
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- At the Edge of Insanity
The Empire is based on the HRE/Germany. And we have the best beer in the world. Accept no substitutes. Down with Wine, all praise the Beer. Says even the Teetotaler that is me.
Yeah, living in Brettonia is HELL unless you are a noble since they happily opress the peasants and commoners to ridicilous degrees. Chivalry. Sure. DAMN THOSE WARHAMMER FRENCH!
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Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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That really rather varies by edition. In 4th and 5th edition, it's a genuinely noble, agrarian nation. (Also, you know, better and more worthwhile as a setting than any of the shit that came out of 6e and the sheer incompetence with which Bretonnia was handled)
Also:
>Implying Beer is good
Mon Dieu
Riesling, Mosel, Eiswein, Liebfraumilch, Hock. Germany does wine.
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- At the Edge of Insanity
I know. Our beer is A LOT more famous though.
Basically, Empire is beer country, except some in the middle classes and nobility drink wine. Brettonia is wine all the way down.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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Hey Boney I think I love you
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Well, it's more of a polite fiction, because the Lady canonically would never permit a woman--no matter how talented or virtuous--to drink from the Grail. It straight up says "Yes, female Bretonnians who hide their gender can become Questing Knights, but it's impossible for them to succeed at the Quest, because the Lady isn't fooled by disguises"
It's basically a way for them to go "Well, we can't have you executed, because it's not an executable offense, so we'll just strip you of all rights to land and title and doom you to a quest you can never succeed in, and thus you won't be able to spread your dangerously progressive ideals any further when they come to ruin"
They're not quite as much of a grimdark arthurian parody as they are in canon I suspect, because maintaining such a society stretches disbelief quite a bit, and Boney's version of Warhammer is something that you can sort of understand as having it's own internal logic. But a lot of the core conceits are something that can't be diverted--and one of those is that all Grail Knights are Noble Men in Good Standing, because if you don't have that, everything else is irrelevant in the Lady's eyes.
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DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- They/Them
Thats actually something i never understood. What exactly is The Lady's deal? If you listen to End Times (which you shouldn't) she's elven, which would mean she should be way more egalitarian. On the other hand, if she's shaped by the psyches surrounding her in the Bretonnian mindset like other gods, then she should be accepting of the idea of female knights if they happen all the time, so she should be way more accepting of female knights. Is it the collective internalized misogyny of Bretonnian women, impeding their success because none of them believe they can succeed? Or is it Games Workshop just straight up being dumb again
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We do not in fact do beer here. At all. You can't grow any beer crops on our land, we've already tried.
Missing the point entirely.
The power of gunpowder is that anyone with a brain and working fingers can use it. Vampires are definitionally small in number, and their undead hordes lack both the brain and the working fingers to fire a bow, much less a gun.
For a vampire's personal weapons, even the best gun is going to be inferior to melee, because of their immense strength, durability and speed. The whole point of guns is to make it so that regular mortals with none of those can use gunpowder instead.
If you're talking pure firepower, then maybe a vampire with Skaven weapons.
...and you've gone and given me the mental image of a strangely deep voiced Damsel and it won't go away...
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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I meant in the Empire as a whole, not on our land.
Also, seriously? Is there anything we can grow other then rocks and grass?
On Karst? Literally rocks, grass and grapes. Not much else.
While this is true, most of them will never even approach the level of destruction that we threw at Drakenhof. Seeing the bastion of undead power smashed with what must have seemed contemptuous ease might prompt a few would be dark lords to see about getting some undead artillerists.
Also worth noting is that Vampire remember their human life. An engineer that gets vamped will still be an engineer when they rises as an unholy abomination.
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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As a good rule of thumb, if it involves Bretonnia?
Yes.
Coherency and good taste were both sacrificed on the altar of Monty Python references and Francophobia.