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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Guile said:
Maybe Mathilde is just crazy and imagining Reynald!

That's one hot take, Al
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Actually, it kinda makes sense from a meta-perspective?

Like, we know that Ranald exists within the confines of the Quest. Even ignoring the Mork-mugging, we've had a reroll granted from him for over a decade. You can sit down and mark every single time in the story that Ranald saved Mathilde's bacon (and probably like two times where a reroll wasn't enough to fix things).

And yet, despite this very clear and very material impact, we keep giving Ranald credit for things that he has no connection to. The Eye of Gazul, Abel's Death, Mors lack of everything, all of it has been attributed to Ranald's influence multiple times by the thread. Despite there being no evidence any of it being tied to divine work, we were still eager to tie it all to a face we knew and could recognize. Simply because it fit something he could/would do.
(and yes, there has been people besides me who suggested that Ranald was behind Abel's bad luck)

Alliterate said:
Well, much of the thread is looking for an apprentice or kid or something as a legacy...

I can see it now, Mathilde to her independent shadow:
"Now don't you stay out past dawn, and if you absolutely have to strangle someone deserving, make sure you stay safe and finish the job cleanly."
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Anything that's like a non-Fir Tree Andersen story is worth pursuing for me!
 
DarkLight140 said:
The shadow isn't a demon, it's Mathilde. It's literally her soul. Citation: Gunnars.
The shadow is so Mathilde that it can be used as a visible spiritual ID check. When the shadow does things, it's doing them because Mathilde's soul wants to do them. It pokes at people because she's curious. It slaughters her enemies because she slaughters her enemies. It hides shyly from Kragg behind her body because... she's bashful and isn't entirely sure that he approves of her nonstandard spiritual makeup, I guess.
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Ehehehehe...
BoneyM said:
You ignore the misbehaving of your shadow as it caresses the corpses of the rats
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Mathilde's soul want to embrace the dead just like I do~<3
 
masterofmadness said:
Well still above average, probably won't be going full bore for the Citadel's kill field but should still be something we can deal with.
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I'm pretty sure that this will end up as 'traditional Orc tactics.' IE, they all charge, with some thought as to what they're going to do once they get wherever they're going. This will allow us to roast a massive portion of their army with the Eye, but won't be anything special either way.
 
Ericwinter said:
That way lies Phylacteries and Horcruxes though. Are liches even a thing, in Warhammer? Or is that how the Tomb Kings work? What might happen if one body dies? Would Mathilde lose part of her soul, or would they just snap back together?
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Those questions seem like things that are basically engineering problems which Mathilde would need to contemplate when researching the evolution of her physical and metaphysical makeup, and ultimately come up with answers for. Would she be splitting her soul, or simply having one soul which was simultaneously in multiple locations because ulgu is all about uncertainty and laughs at physical realities such as space? Is there any reason that she would want to risk any kind of damage to herself when she can come at this from a but can I shenanigans harder approach and ask questions which are the project's equivalent of "but what if we moved the sun"?

Personally, considering that she can teleport, that teleporting through Ranald's divine realm to massively extend teleport range has been identified as a valid line of research, that Mathilde's soul is known to have a connection to Ranald in it, and that souls go to divine realms when they die, I see no reason that a theoretical multi-bodied Mathilde who can spin off a shadow-self (or multiple shadow-selves, perhaps eventually?) would consider death of any individual body as more serious than a gyrocopter ride through the aether back to the rest of herself. And a potentially serious annoyance if she has to find or manually create a replacement body somehow, because running around as just a shadow and needing to use illusion spells to talk and look like a person and such sounds very frustrating.

Unless someone stabbed her with a soul-murdering weapon, I guess, but those aren't that common. I think the Brights might have spells that incinerate souls, can't recall if that's just a 40k pyro-psyker thing or also in Fantasy. Either way, consider those bad touch for this ascension/immortality style.
 
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DarkLight140 said:
Those questions seem like things that are basically engineering problems which Mathilde would need to contemplate when researching the evolution of her physical and metaphysical makeup, and ultimately come up with answers for. Would she be splitting her soul, or simply having one soul which was simultaneously in multiple locations because ulgu is all about uncertainty and laughs at physical realities such as space? Is there any reason that she would want to risk any kind of damage to herself when she can come at this from a but can I shenanigans harder approach and ask questions which are the project's equivalent of "but what if we moved the sun"?

Personally, considering that she can teleport, that teleporting through Ranald's divine realm to massively extend teleport range has been identified as a valid line of research, that Mathilde's soul is known to have a connection to Ranald in it, and that souls go to divine realms when they die, I see no reason that a theoretical multi-bodied Mathilde who can spin off a shadow-self (or multiple shadow-selves, perhaps eventually?) would consider death of any individual body as more serious than a gyrocopter ride through the aether back to the rest of herself. And a potentially serious annoyance if she has to find or manually create a replacement body somehow, because running around as just a shadow and needing to use illusion spells to talk and look like a person and such sounds very frustrating.

Unless someone stabbed her with a soul-murdering weapon, I guess, but those aren't that common. I think the Brights might have spells that incinerate souls, can't recall if that's just a 40k pyro-psyker thing or also in Fantasy. Either way, consider those bad touch for this ascension/immortality style.
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So what you're saying is that you want to make Mathilde an entirely wholesome, and even divinely-sanctioned, immortal, who also happens to be even more cockroach-like than vampires because you can't even put her under regeneration watch. Also having multiple bodies running around so we can get more shit done at once. Welp, I know what I'm voting for next full turn.
 
I wonder if Vampirism can't be replicated in a more wholesome manner - maybe with snake juice?

There's no reason why Dhar would be better than say... High Magic for the role. It's just that Dhar is more convenient to use.
 
DarkLight140 said:
Those questions seem like things that are basically engineering problems which Mathilde would need to contemplate when researching the evolution of her physical and metaphysical makeup, and ultimately come up with answers for. Would she be splitting her soul, or simply having one soul which was simultaneously in multiple locations because ulgu is all about uncertainty and laughs at physical realities such as space? Is there any reason that she would want to risk any kind of damage to herself when she can come at this from a but can I shenanigans harder approach and ask questions which are the project's equivalent of "but what if we moved the sun"?

Personally, considering that she can teleport, that teleporting through Ranald's divine realm to massively extend teleport range has been identified as a valid line of research, that Mathilde's soul is known to have a connection to Ranald in it, and that souls go to divine realms when they die, I see no reason that a theoretical multi-bodied Mathilde who can spin off a shadow-self (or multiple shadow-selves, perhaps eventually?) would consider death of any individual body as more serious than a gyrocopter ride through the aether back to the rest of herself. And a potentially serious annoyance if she has to find or manually create a replacement body somehow, because running around as just a shadow and needing to use illusion spells to talk and look like a person and such sounds very frustrating.

Unless someone stabbed her with a soul-murdering weapon, I guess, but those aren't that common. I think the Brights might have spells that incinerate souls, can't recall if that's just a 40k pyro-psyker thing or also in Fantasy. Either way, consider those bad touch for this ascension/immortality style.
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Sounds like the Ascendant Realm of the Hive from Destiny. For those who don't know the Hive use paracausal(read technology that works on completely different laws of physics and is also magic) techniques to generate existence destroying energy. If they collect enough of it they form an Ascendant Realm and move their true selves there. From these realms they then project physical bodies into the world we are familiar with and if you kill those bodies they simply regrow in the Ascendant Realm to be sent out again.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
I wonder if Vampirism can't be replicated in a more wholesome manner - maybe with snake juice?

There's no reason why Dhar would be better than say... High Magic for the role. It's just that Dhar is more convenient to use.
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I imagine it would be, but I suspect you would either need access to Neferata's notes (if she kept any) or the Books of Nagash (and a whole heaping of luck not to get killed or worse by the traps of the Great Necromancer).
 
DragonParadox said:
I imagine it would be, but I suspect you would either need access to Neferata's notes (if she kept any) or the Books of Nagash (and a whole heaping of luck not to get killed or worse by the traps of the Great Necromancer).
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If Nagash and Neferata could invent vampirism there's no reason why Mathilde couldn't invent the AV or High Magic version.

She's got all the tools, plenty of talent and will probably have better access to the elves.
 
Alliterate said:
Well, much of the thread is looking for an apprentice or kid or something as a legacy...

I can see it now, Mathilde to her independent shadow:
"Now don't you stay out past dawn, and if you absolutely have to strangle someone deserving, make sure you stay safe and finish the job cleanly."
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Epilogue would be the Shadow continuing as a spymaster/loremaster after Mathildes death/ascension until finally becoming a deity of shadow itself from accumulated belief?
Andmeuths said:
I wonder what 6 was. The Greenskins politely assembling in the Caldera in straight lines, parade ground style?
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Something like that, probably. Since we want to hit as many of them as possible, it is likely about how clustered together they are and how the more important people are distributed.

1: They immediately run forward from the gate, spreading out even more than the gate requires due to running at different speeds and going slightly different routes so that the conventional artillery keeps having to change their aim.
6: They assemble as a gigantic united force within the Caldera, intending to attack the dwarfs in one united blob. Mathilde can destroy at least 2/3 of the army while in a single strike.
 
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Zero Gravitas said:
If Nagash and Neferata could invent vampirism there's no reason why Mathilde couldn't invent the AV or High Magic version.

She's got all the tools, plenty of talent and will probably have better access to the elves.
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Nagash was an unmatched genius with all the resources of Khemri at his fingertips. Neferata's work even working off Nagash's book was described as a dark miracle. I really doubt we are replicating either.
 
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Zero Gravitas said:
If Nagash and Neferata could invent vampirism there's no reason why Mathilde couldn't invent the AV or High Magic version.

She's got all the tools, plenty of talent and will probably have better access to the elves.
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Well besides the fact we lack any information on how high magic works besides "You know what you do with Ulgu? yea just do that with the other seven as well" I am unsure we are even capable of casting high magic with how tightly bound Mathilde's soul is with Ulgu. We are up to what? 3 arcane marks?
 
Wow. Now both Skaven AND Goblins have helped defend K8P more than the High King.

Edit: Now all we need is an elf to come by and help and we got the perfect trifecta
 
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Ericwinter said:
It's even better since they probably would have done more damage anyways. I wouldn't be surprised if they just tore off another hundred thousand or so.
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That seems high to me. They are picking off stragglers so the max they can pick off is about 80,000 orcs because about 1/5 are straggling. Just because those orcs are straggling doesn't mean they will link up. Though with that 6 a good chunk will be gone.
 
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