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If you play as chaos warriors, instead of the archaon invasion in the end game you get a cutscenes where the old man calls you an idiot and mutates into the changer of ways Sarthorael the Ever Watcher (who in non chaos play is just another Archaon Invasion Lord like kholek and sigvald), and forms an enemy chaos faction for you to fight
The demon was actually the raven on his shoulder. Which, to my understanding, proceeds to kill the old man.
 
Seriously, not even twelve hours. This thread is ridiculous, and can we stop teasing Omegahugger? It's getting a bit old.
 
I think Omegahugger reacted to every single post in the chain with a 'hug' reaction.

They might not be taking it as seriously as you are.
Oh, I'm sure they're fine with it for now, but continuing much more would change it from a joke into something mean. Besides, the joke has pretty much played out already anyways. I'd prefer some new one be made.
 
So, uh, why are people debating over the color of the thread on the robes being metal? Last I checked, using metal as a thread is like, really hard and uncommon. It makes no sense for that to be metal. It's just thread colored gold.
It's really not. Gold embroidery has been a thing since 2000 bc and was independently invented by many cultures. It has been extensively used in making fancy clothes for literally millenia.
 
Actually, as we are starting to learn a bit about enchanting, I though to look up some of the stuff that isn't 'stored spell' that we can get or famous examples in the lore that can give us ideas on what we could do.

here are some of the interesting ones to get people thinking:

(this is in full knowledge that Boney is going to hard no a lot of these no matter how skilled we can get, this is a 'get thinking' list.)

1: Chalice Of Sorcery
The Chalice of Sorcery bubbles with potent energies that can be used by a wizard to cast spells. However, there is a price to be paid for such power; the Chalice drains power from the wizard to replenish itself.

The Chalice is a simple silver cup of plain design. In order to use it, the wizard must fill it with water, which immediately begins bubbling and steaming, as though boiling, though the chalice and the water remain cool to the touch.

A wizard bearing the chalice can cast 1 spell per turn(?) without rolling miscast. The ingredient to be used in the spell is dropped into the bubbling water, where it immediately disappears as the spell is cast. Each time the chalice is used, the player must roll 1D6. On a roll of 6, the wizard loses D6 wounds as the chalice replenishes its energy.

Various tales are told about wizards who possessed the Chalice and tried using liquids such as blood to enhance its powers, but the majority of serious scholars of magic dismiss these as mere horror stories.

2: Purse Of Teeth
This type of item is now not uncommon in The Empire, for wealthy merchants and the like pay Wizards well for creating them. A Purse of Teeth appears as an ordinary leather pouch with drawstrings. However, if it is opened and any attempt made to take money from it by anyone other than its rightful owner, rows of very sharp teeth magically appear inside the purse and bite the hand of the thief. All the time, the Purse of Teeth screams, 'Thief! Thief!' at almost deafening volume.

It is rumoured that even larger Bags of Teeth and Sacks of Fangs exist, some even with envenomed teeth, but their existence has not been documented with certainty... yet.

3: Talisman of Protection:
6+ ward save
and it's big brother: Talisman of Preservation: 4+ ward save

4: Grey Mask (Lore of Shadow):
When you wear this mask, others cannot hear your magical incantations.

5: Ring Of Comprehension
This ring allows the wearer to Read/Write in a Language the creator can read/write in if you could not do so before.

6: Helstrum's Staff
When gripped in hand, Helstrum's Staf grants a +20% bonus to Fellowship Tests made for Public Speaking or preaching to a crowd. History: Contrary to its name, Helstrum's Staf was never actually wielded by Johann Helstrum—the first Teogonist. Instead, it contains a fragment of his robes. It served as the symbol of office for almost a thousand years, but vanished during the upheavals following the Black Plague of 1111 IC. Once some semblance of stability was restored, the cult of Sigmar created a facsimile of the original to serve in its stead.

7: All-Seeing Mirrors
A pair, each All-Seeing Mirror reflects the image normally seen in its opposite. Over land, there is no limit to the range, but 500 or more miles of water prevents the mirrors from operating

8:Scroll of the Fifth Lore
When examined, this scroll appears to be whatever the reader expects to see. Thus, if handed to a literate guard with the explanation that the scroll is in fact a writ of passage, a license, or some other document, the guard would see it as such. (very Grey Order)

There's more, but you all get the idea.

also, in first ed there was a tower in a bottle! and Fozzrik's Folding Fortress instead of Fozzrik's Flying Fortress.
 
Moulder: Eshin assassinated our boss!
Skryre: Eshin murdered our boss, raided our ouposts, and blew up our gas refinery, bringing the dragon down on all our heads!
Eshin: We killed off Mors, no help from the rest of these idiots. By the way, the dwarves are being lead by a man-thing wizard, who's magic is totally different from what our sorcerers use, really!

Consider:
• Moulder knows that a sneaky rat blew up their attempted alliance with the goblins, then a bunch of human mercenaries and dwarves uncharacteristicly bumrushed them and allowed Mors to expand.
• Skryre was being hit by probing attacks around the fringes by Eshin for weeks, before their main processing plant got sabotaged, killing all their leaders and setting a dragon on them.

Neither of them is gonna be feeling charitable towards Eshin at the moment. If the Council's Agent goes down, and the scattered remnants of Eshin are the only ones to report back, their words are going to be pretty heavily doubted.

The whole thing will look like a plan by Eshin to steal all the credit gone badly wrong when the dragon woke up and ate them too.
 
So do we have enough at this point to start guessing about what Eshin has actually been doing in K8P up to this point? We know our raids tended to get blamed on Eshin, but was Eshin ever really raiding?
 
So do we have enough at this point to start guessing about what Eshin has actually been doing in K8P up to this point? We know our raids tended to get blamed on Eshin, but was Eshin ever really raiding?
Probably scouting and spying, possibly reporting back to the Council of 13's agent as well. Other than that, they likely haven't been doing much. In the beginning, it was 4 Skaven clans, and 4 is feed. The strongest feeds on the weakest which was Moulder feeding on Clan Mors. Clan Eshin didn't want to commit because then Clan Skyre would gank them.

Once Clan Moulder was taken out, then it was 3 is peace, no one wanted to move on the other because then they would be ganked by the third faction, and so Clan Eshin probably didn't do much in that phase. Now, though, it looks like it will be their downfall.
 
[X] Both must die.
- [X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.
 
So do we have enough at this point to start guessing about what Eshin has actually been doing in K8P up to this point? We know our raids tended to get blamed on Eshin, but was Eshin ever really raiding?
They were definitely raiding Mors in some fashion before we came in and Moulder fell, that's where the Warpstone Star we found came from. After Moulder was gone though, they pulled back because we turned the Four into a Three.
 
Consider:
• Moulder knows that a sneaky rat blew up their attempted alliance with the goblins, then a bunch of human mercenaries and dwarves uncharacteristicly bumrushed them and allowed Mors to expand.
• Skryre was being hit by probing attacks around the fringes by Eshin for weeks, before their main processing plant got sabotaged, killing all their leaders and setting a dragon on them.

Neither of them is gonna be feeling charitable towards Eshin at the moment. If the Council's Agent goes down, and the scattered remnants of Eshin are the only ones to report back, their words are going to be pretty heavily doubted.

The whole thing will look like a plan by Eshin to steal all the credit gone badly wrong when the dragon woke up and ate them too.
Yeah, this is my interpretation too, and is why I find it so important to make sure the document the Sorcerer gave never gets to the Council.
So do we have enough at this point to start guessing about what Eshin has actually been doing in K8P up to this point? We know our raids tended to get blamed on Eshin, but was Eshin ever really raiding?
I'm pretty sure they've been watching us. Like, the other K8P skaven believed they were in a three-is-peace situation, but Eshin knew that there was an astonishingly sneaky human around, because our assassin friend would have reported back that we exist, the same way we reported back that they existed. If their scouts and spies see raids on the other clans carried on in a very sneaky way, and they know they weren't doing it, they can conclude that we're up to something.

Now, it's probable that some of this intel has already made its way back to the Under-Empire, but the same way that when we took out the Necromancy College we needed to bring Proof back in order to get our leaders to treat it as seriously as they did, I believe Eshin needs to bring back Proof to get the Council to take the threat of K8P seriously. And we do not want the Council to take us seriously.
 
If the Council's Agent goes down, and the scattered remnants of Eshin are the only ones to report back, their words are going to be pretty heavily doubted.
Yeah.

That's the big thing that's changed my evaluation of the importance killing Eshin elites; before, I'd been operating off the description of Eshin being unusually trusted by the Council of 13, in which case we needed to kill as many of them off as possible to reduce the amount of information they carry back; with an explicit Agent on site, though, killing that Agent when they should never have been exposed to front-line combat discredits Eshin intelligence, which is almost as good and a lot less risky to accomplish.
 
On another note, it's a bit of a shame that the Council Attaché wasn't a Financer. I can just imagine how livid he'd be over how everything's gone down and how much in terms of resources has been thrown into Eight Peaks for what's looking like zero return value.
 
An Enchanting Plan: all the stuff we need to make for our other plans.
PREREQ: better enchantment?, Black Gem?
PLAN: There are enough different plans that need enchanted items that creating a plan to create them all is worthwhile.
Staff
Power-stone (basic, practice for snek juice plan)
Wards for K8P
Saving Ward for self
An enchanted item for scent?
More?
TIME: ? turns
COST: gold for materials, college favours,
PAYOFF: the stuff we created, moving forward in our study.
So this is a little broad for a usual plan. I do have some of the items included, namely the Staff and the Robes. But I could add a separate section for generally desired items, if other people want this.
 
I don't think the destruction of a Traitor-Clan would count as zero value. If Mors is destroyed, then the Council has at least gotten something out of this (even if their forces had little to do with that taking place).
I wouldn't say they had little to do with it. Without the other skaven who would we have used to keep Mors busy? The Orcs were just plain too disorganised to do the job, and the Dragon was smart enough to work out we woke it rather than blame the rat-things.

If it wasn't for the skaven K8P would still be full of skaven.
 
I'm pretty sure they've been watching us. Like, the other K8P skaven believed they were in a three-is-peace situation, but Eshin knew that there was an astonishingly sneaky human around, because our assassin friend would have reported back that we exist, the same way we reported back that they existed. If their scouts and spies see raids on the other clans carried on in a very sneaky way, and they know they weren't doing it, they can conclude that we're up to something.
Nope, we both promised never to bring it up again. And we didn't, IIRC, because there wasn't really anything worth sharing.

Are you saying the Skaven assassin would lie?!
 
Nope, we both promised never to bring it up again. And we didn't, IIRC, because there wasn't really anything worth sharing.

Are you saying the Skaven assassin would lie?!
honor among sneaks, and he was pretty darn embarrassed about it- im willing to believe he didnt uh. rat us out.
 
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