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If we don't parley with the Dragon it may decide to finish the job and go for the hat trick on cleaning out Skaven infestations, and run straight into our people. That to me makes it an absolute no brainer.
 
Well, yes, that is what I am proposing. I believe the random chance of th dragon deciding to attack the dwarves is lower than the chance of Mathilde screwing up her diplomacy rolls and pushing it to decide to attack the dwarves.
Then we kill it when it's distracted by other enemies and be done with it rather than risk fighting it when we are distracted by other enemies.
 
I'd contest this.

Eshin is only the greatest remaining threat if that spot isn't occupied by the dragon.

Doing what we can to ensure the dragon isn't hostile is, as such, really important.
Which is why diplomancing it is first on the list. However, it's not necessarily hostile - Eshin certainly are.
I don't know about that. The Dragon's a Light Mage, and that means has access to the "see through all illusions and concealment" thing that Eshin would normally use to hide from an angry Dragon.
Eshin assassins and lord's are Bullshit. Don't underestimate them.
 
Then we kill it when it's distracted by other enemies and be done with it rather than risk fighting it when we are distracted by other enemies.
Are you suggesting that it's better for Mathilde to try to solo the dragon than to have that fight with the entire armed forces of Karak Eight Peaks, including two Runelords?

I know I was arguing that the dragon is killable by our entire army earlier, but no, Mathilde cannot kill that thing on her own. This is an insanely risky play.
 
Well, yes, that is what I am proposing. I believe the random chance of the dragon deciding to attack the dwarves is lower than the chance of Mathilde screwing up her diplomacy rolls and pushing it to decide to attack the dwarves.


Buy some warm clothes. Spend a favour on a warming enchantment if it's really that bad.
Funnily enough warming enchantments dont really exist in the Bright Colleges repertoire, and rune craft requires metal and time. Kragg might be able to whip something up but the seat of power is a pretty big deal.

At that point we are approaching from a perspective of territorial weakness, when trying to negotiate for territory. This could work, as I said but it is only equal if its not also still torqued off. Which I consider pretty likely to still be the case due to it being demonstrably rather pissed.
 
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At first I was didvide between looting and talking with the dragon.
But considering the Emperor Dragon is an Emperor Dragon, it seens pretty clear it and the overall battle will keep for an hour.
On the other hand the Enshin Warrens are already damaged from battle, as long as the battle keeps going damage will acumulate and someone else may try looting or even eating stuff.
Conclusion the Dragon will keep, the Loot won't, so loot first then parley.
 
For everyone worrying about the dragon's mood, my thinking goes sort of like this: after it's done styling on the skaven here I would assume it's goal will be to go back to sleep, which'll mean if we want to negotiate with it we may end up having to wake it ourselves. At least now we have some plausible deniability with it that we weren't the things that woke it up.
If it goes back to sleep, all the better for us. We can throw that hot potato back to Belegar, and in any case the dragon will probably be easier to kill if we can attack it while it sleeps.
 
Are you suggesting that it's better for Mathilde to try to solo the dragon than to have that fight with the entire armed forces of Karak Eight Peaks, including two Runelords?

I know I was arguing that the dragon is killable by our entire army earlier, but no, Mathilde cannot kill that thing on her own. This is an insanely risky play.
No, I'm arguing that if it's hostile we can retreat and organise those armed forces + two runelords. You know, instead of the other situation where we'd be busy fighting a waaagh or otherwise taken by surprise.
 
Let this play out, chances are the elites can still kill the dragon and it will no longer be a problem.
Hell, if we ask for parley now, it might bring us into this fight as a proof of our intentions, when he is dealing with it for free.
 
If it goes back to sleep, all the better for us. We can throw that hot potato back to Belegar, and in any case the dragon will probably be easier to kill if we can attack it while it sleeps.
You mean it would be easier to kill at the heart of it's power? Which freezing temperatures? And low oxygen? Probably enchanted and infused with Hysh which upgrades the dragon and says bye-bye to our ulgu?
 
I would note that ensuring Mors die here is incredibly important, as that would make the chance of Mors dying off completely very high. Mors dying off completely is of paramount long term importance, as their unity is one of the paramount long term threats to all of the Order factions. If we kill off Mors, we have dealt a permanent blow to Skaven unity, and that is vital.
 
No, I'm arguing that if it's hostile we can retreat and organise those armed forces + two runelords. You know, instead of the other situation where we'd be busy fighting a waaagh or otherwise taken by surprise.
If the dragon is hostile, we are probably not walking out of that negotiation alive. We're good, but we aren't good enough to get away from a hostile Emperor dragon with Hysh of all magics.

Our armed forces won't be busy with the Waaagh, since we'll be taking care of that with the Eye.
 
Let this play out, chances are the elites can still kill the dragon and it will no longer be a problem.
Hell, if we ask for parley now, it might bring us into this fight as a proof of our intentions, when he is dealing with it for free.
At which point we can bond over murdering enemy elites, a time honored traditon the world over. And it can lead to both Mors and Eshin getting wrecked much more throughly
 
At which point we can bond over murdering enemy elites, a time honored traditon the world over. And it can lead to both Mors and Eshin getting wrecked much more throughly
That's true; 'You hate these rats too? Prove it.' is a lot less of a deal-breaker when we'd be fighting side by side with a Healing-type Emperor Dragon.
 
Point being, we will have a hell of a lot more time to make and execute a good plan. Right now? I don't fancy our chances.
What plan could we make? We can't sneak up on it, Hysh and extreme cold make sure of that. We can't bring our armies or our Runelords. It's a hysh battle-mage that is also a dragon. I really don't fancy fighting it in it's equivalent of our tower.
 
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Don't want to talk to the dragon while it is in a bad mood. And likely injured. And hunting an uglu user.

Really don't want to help or fight either rat faction. We have very little to gain and everything to lose just making the attempt.

Grab some stuff and leave this lot to it. We can come back in eight-ish hours and claim the empty mountain in the name of Belegar.
 
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