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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Prospalz said:
It housed with dark elves.

It is not a black dragon, so it is not exactly in dark elf faction, but it is going to affect attempts to diplomance it.
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The kind of effect is likely highly dependent on why it left. Did the Dark Elves try and mess with it, making the dragon dislike them and like their enemies? Variety of potential options there.
 
jjffjhjf said:
The kind of effect is likely highly dependent on why it left. Did the Dark Elves try and mess with it, making the dragon dislike them and like their enemies? Variety of potential options there.
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Woke up, found all the elves are perverts now. Left, found a nice quiet mountain full of shiny to lair in.
Woke up, found the nice quiet mountain not at all quiet and full of Skaven.

Fuck that shit.
 
DragonParadox said:
Lack of willingness definitely, there are enough dwarfs in human lands to form significant portions of the population up to 10% in some cities and those clans are rich enough that they are often the target of mobs of humans looking to lash out at those who are both rich and different. If they wanted to launch expeditions they had the resources to do so.

Also it is worth nothing that these are dwarfs who deliberately placed themselves outside the authority of the High King. There could have gone to any dwarf hold, there is plenty of room. They chose instead to leave the Karaz Ankor entirely.
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See you keep assuming things that suport your point when we know they aren't necesarily true for a fact.
We know the diference between being fabulously wealthy as a civilian and being able to afford an army is in orders of maginutide.
We know many dwarf refuges categoricaly refuse to settle anywere but their ancestral lands.
To not talk about how a lack of unifying althority to provide direction and coordinate resources would hinder.

veekie said:
On dwarf culture and grudges...to my limited knowledge Imperial Dwarves hold personal grudges. They still have the same psychology, a similar culture(noting that they're likely to form expatriate quarters or the like rather than dispersing evenly).

The big difference should be political separation. They don't (necessarily) consider themselves part of the Karaz Ankor, thus they do not inherit the obligations of the greater polity. With their lifestyle, they would have little need to maintain a formal book of grudges, personal feuds are such that generally speaking the human or halfling involved would be deceased and their lineage untraceable within a single dwarf's lifetime, so you either settle it right there, or it settles itself in a half century anyway.

But even so theres going to be some Back To Fundamentals type and those are the type that became Clan Huzkul.
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You know this makes me wonder if we aren't looking at this backwards, because if humans can keep generational blood feuds going dwarfs aren't going to give up so easy.
No I think the benefit of imperial dwarves isn't they don't necessarily consider themselves part of the Karaz Ankor, but that they don't necessarily consider themselves part of the Empire. Thing about it, if anyone attacks a hold they are defacing the works of their ancestors, thats a grudge that will last untill repaid, but if someone attacks whateve empire city they are living in thats Umgi bussiness, they are just passing trough.
 
veekie said:
I will note it had been observed using a Battle Magic spell as a Skaven fishing net.

Its either supremely confident or its really badass enough that its about boxcars rarity to actually fail and triple boxcars to fail bad enough to hurt.
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That's still not something to roll for every turn of combat if you can help it - but we were talking about doing so whilst our entire magical complement attempts to counterspell it, which is much less safe for it. Even without miscasts, it opens it up for easy cannon shots.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
That's still not something to roll for every turn of combat if you can help it - but we were talking about doing so whilst our entire magical complement attempts to counterspell it, which is much less safe for it. Even without miscasts, it opens it up for easy cannon shots.
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I think thats why its attack on Skryre went so well. Skryre was too disorganized to muster any kind of concerted countermagic, it could basically cast in ideal conditions
 
Zaratustra said:
See you keep assuming things that suport your point when we know they aren't necesarily true for a fact.
We know the diference between being fabulously wealthy as a civilian and being able to afford an army is in orders of maginutide.
We know many dwarf refuges categoricaly refuse to settle anywere but their ancestral lands.
To not talk about how a lack of unifying althority to provide direction and coordinate resources would hinder.
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They have clans just like Belegar and his dwarfs, they could train for war if they wanted to Karaz Ankor is constantly on a war footing, they do not have civilians. The very fact that imperial dwarfs consider themselves civilians and not at constant war marks them apart.
 
Ice Dragon? Originally from Naggaroth?

Yeah, that... That makes a lot of sense. It left in the first place because it might have literally been driven off when the Dark Elves really sunk down roots there, because Hysh and the shit they get up to are like matter and antimatter--and it's not there anymore--especially as Naggaroth was a cold sort of place, so it explains how it developed as an Ice Dragon in the first place.

Then it came here, found a nice place to chill out, got fucked with by rats... And then wanted to clean house.

Yeah, that's also extremely unlikely to be something that has outstanding Grudges with the Karaz Ankor, which means there's room to negotiate. My impression is that it just wants to be left alone given that point of origin.
 
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Huh, how old is Quintex exactly? I'm trying to figure out how recently the dragon would have moved to K8P.
 
Quest said:
Huh, how old is Quintex exactly? I'm trying to figure out how recently the dragon would have moved to K8P.
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10,000 years old, apparently.

On the other hand, that's a bit troubling because if this is just where they were recently, then it clearly didn't raze the place to the ground.

Then again, Morathi's literal place of power.

Then again again, Hysh and Chaos are quite literally anathema to one another in a lot of ways.

I am fascinated already by this person's story just from the one tidbit we've already gotten. Is this some bloody crusading paladin dragon that's just decided to take a nap here?
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
Probably. If only we had experts to aim the cannons, and wizards with spells to tell them exactly how to aim.
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Deathbybunnies said:
You said it wasn't an S10 hit due to accuracy, and I was disabusing you of that notion. It's not going to be impossible to hit, it can't cast those spells every turn under dedicated counterspelling from counterspelling experts.
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Deathbybunnies said:
No, it rolls on the same tables as we do, maybe with extra dice. If the dragon gets the "caster is thrown into the warp" or "caster explodes" outcomes, those still apply, just bigger.

Granted, it'd be best if it weren't in the middle of our forces when it did so.
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Deathbybunnies said:
You are just wildly overestimating it at this point.
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If only the dragon wasn't moving at the speed of freaking light and can likely comfortably move out of the way of the cannon balls with relativistic years to spare, even assuming they aimed perfectly.

I'd say it certainly isn't a s10 hit if it doesn't actually hit them, and I'm not going to assume anything about Kragg and Thorek's ability to counter spell a creature that can use a battlemagic as a fishing net.

It can also ignore a lot more than we can even if its numbers are bigger, although bigger the warp opens then that's massively bad.

And I think you are drastically underestimating it, but at this stage its clear we're just going around in circles so I'll drop it if you will.

Hopefully as its last place of residence was so far away from the dwarves hopefully it can't have racked up grudges with them, although it may have picked up some enroute to the eight peaks.

That being said...did it catch us and we managed to diplomacy it not to eat us? Or is this OOC knowledge.
 
DragonParadox said:
They have clans just like Belegar and his dwarfs, they could train for war if they wanted to Karaz Ankor is constantly on a war footing, they do not have civilians. The very fact that imperial dwarfs consider themselves civilians and not at constant war marks them apart.
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Citation please ?
Because you keep doing that, making assumption, ignoring nuance and basing broad statements ont that.
As Belegar said, '' every dwarf must a warrior'' yet we still have actual warrior clans and non warrior clans, the distinction is not that absolute.
Just tell me were you got how they see themselves otherwise you are equating correlation with causation.
 
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Zaratustra said:
Citation please ?
Because you keep doing that, making assumption, ignoring nuance and basing broad statements ont that.
As Belegat said, '' every dwarf must a warrior'' yet we still have actual warrior clans and non warrior clans, the distinction is not that absolute.
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The distinction is very clear, every dwarf is a warrior, some are just better/more professional warriors.
 
The most important thing is that since it used to live in Naggaroth, there is little chance it interacted with Dwarves before moving here, so there is probably no grudge, thank Ranald.
 
Abhorsen said:
The most important thing is that since it used to live in Naggaroth, there is little chance it interacted with Dwarves before moving here, so there is probably no grudge, thank Ranald.
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Were any of the possibilities close enough to dwarves for that to be the case?

Spine of Sotek Dwarves not withstanding.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
If only the dragon wasn't moving at the speed of freaking light and can likely comfortably move out of the way of the cannon balls with relativistic years to spare, even assuming they aimed perfectly.

I'd say it certainly isn't a s10 hit if it doesn't actually hit them, and I'm not going to assume anything about Kragg and Thorek's ability to counter spell a creature that can use a battlemagic as a fishing net.

It can also ignore a lot more than we can even if its numbers are bigger, although bigger the warp opens then that's massively bad.
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It can't consistently move at the speed of light, it can't cast Battlemagic under sustained counterspelling each round. You are massively underestimating how good Runelords are at counterspelling.

Doomed Wombat said:
And I think you are drastically underestimating it, but at this stage its clear we're just going around in circles so I'll drop it if you will.
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Yeah, okay.
 
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