Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Yeah, but the more I think about it, the more we are a Wizard!Belichick. Let's look at the evidence:
| Evidence: | Belichick | Mathilde |
| Skirts the rules | Ravens divisional round, 2015 with eligible receivers, and other loopholes. | Read, but hasn't used, the Liber Mortis. Also the money |
| Abruptly left job for better one | 1 day after being hired, resigns with note on napkin: 'I resign as HC of NYJ', went to Pats | Fired immediately by Roswita, Joined up with Belegar |
| Information Gathering | Spygate | Info Ring, then EIC |
| Builds up small advantages | Teaches intricacies of rules, focus on special teams | Towers, Library, various items |
| Waits for enemy to make mistake, then attacks | Patriot football games capitalize on others mistake, and don't make many of their own | Karagril |
| Very Adaptable | Changes defense and offense for each opponent. | We beat Drakenhof with Cannon, Nar with Piety, Citadel with counterspell, Karagril with assassination, |
| Low Diplomacy | Any Belichick Press Conference | Diplomacy=11 |
| Clothing color choices | grey, cutoff hoodie | grey robes |
| Has a go to person that analyzes stuff but keeps a low profile | Ernie Adams | Maximilian |
| Has a Tower | Lighthouse at Gillette | Has a few... |
| Isn't completely in charge | Reports to Robert Kraft | Reports to Belegar |
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HanEmpire
Delicious
I thought he died in a plane crash during a test for his prototype airplane.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Those could save them from poisons and close wounds, but even if you save somebody from the damage caused by their billion types of super cancer or whatever that won't fix the genetic imbalances that caused those diseases to set in to begin with. It'd be like casting a spell to repair a house on a house of cards; it's not that it's damaged, it's that it's too flawed to survive.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Could you just stop for once? Stop pestering the GM about loopholes.
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- UK
Personally Warhammer Fantasy is interesting in that it seems to be both Grimdark and Hopeful at the same time.
To explain, the grimdark is obvious, chaos exists and overpowers and single force of good in the world, it's corruption seeps into all people's and generally ruins lives, and can never be stamped out, and indeed could quite possibly win in the end, as is Endtimes Canon.
On the other hand however, humanity has been and is progressing, and whilst I can't say how accurate it is in canon, at least in this quest if humanity survives and keeps progressing at the current rate, in terms of magic, technology, numbers etc,for another say, I don't know, 1000 years, they'll be big enough and advanced enough they could well defeat the forces of evil once and for all.
Could suffer some great catastrophe in the meantime of course, from countless without or from within as happened with Nehekara, but this seems possible.
Most settings... aren't really like that. They either seem grimdark and without hope, with victory being unexpected (in setting) through some great plot of Good, or the setting is such that everyone hopes and good always succeeds eventually.
Most settings try to lean to one or the other of course, but there normally seems to be some underlying either hope or despair to it. Worm even if it is grimdark in the surface always felt like the heroes were gonna pull through, at least to me, whilst 40K... not so much, even if it's theoretically possible.
This is similarly the case in the shorter, more personal terms as with longer terms, as again they're more underlying themes and feelings of the setting.
Fantasy on the other hand, the two sides really feel balanced like no other, as if it could well go either way in the end. There is real, true hope for a bright future, but the chances of it being snuffed out are equally great. Both hope and despair feel well and truly equal, which is a difficult balance to strike.
A lot of this might really only apply to Boney's world building and less so canon, couldn't say as not exactly an expert in canon myself, but that's my impression of the quest setting at least.
To explain, the grimdark is obvious, chaos exists and overpowers and single force of good in the world, it's corruption seeps into all people's and generally ruins lives, and can never be stamped out, and indeed could quite possibly win in the end, as is Endtimes Canon.
On the other hand however, humanity has been and is progressing, and whilst I can't say how accurate it is in canon, at least in this quest if humanity survives and keeps progressing at the current rate, in terms of magic, technology, numbers etc,for another say, I don't know, 1000 years, they'll be big enough and advanced enough they could well defeat the forces of evil once and for all.
Could suffer some great catastrophe in the meantime of course, from countless without or from within as happened with Nehekara, but this seems possible.
Most settings... aren't really like that. They either seem grimdark and without hope, with victory being unexpected (in setting) through some great plot of Good, or the setting is such that everyone hopes and good always succeeds eventually.
Most settings try to lean to one or the other of course, but there normally seems to be some underlying either hope or despair to it. Worm even if it is grimdark in the surface always felt like the heroes were gonna pull through, at least to me, whilst 40K... not so much, even if it's theoretically possible.
This is similarly the case in the shorter, more personal terms as with longer terms, as again they're more underlying themes and feelings of the setting.
Fantasy on the other hand, the two sides really feel balanced like no other, as if it could well go either way in the end. There is real, true hope for a bright future, but the chances of it being snuffed out are equally great. Both hope and despair feel well and truly equal, which is a difficult balance to strike.
A lot of this might really only apply to Boney's world building and less so canon, couldn't say as not exactly an expert in canon myself, but that's my impression of the quest setting at least.
I'd say that a big part of of what has kept that kind of creep in check are two events which, perhaps bizarrely, are some of my favorite parts of the quest: Roswita firing us and Thorgrim and Belegar's relations frosting over. These acted like...speed bumps, I suppose; they allowed us to have our grand victories, but they interrupted a potential positive feedback loop that could have lead to our power, influence, and scope of operations snowballing into ridiculousness.
Imagine how ridiculous things could have gotten if we had gotten all that favor for avenging Grudges after the Expedition and were able to spend it in Karaz-a-Karak, and were regarded just as highly there as in the Holds we are in closer contact with. Instead of creating a battle mountain and revolutionizing economics via the We, and so on, we might have suddenly been in a position to be influencing Dwarf culture and championing the sorts of asymmetric tactics that have given us such success in K8P on the scale of the Karaz Angkor. Instead, we've ended up focusing on K8P and purchasing a library large enough that it can be used to barricade the West Gate.
- Location
- Australia
I'm not pestering the GM about loopholes and haven't been doing so at all. Don't try to falsely accuse me of doing things I haven't been doing. It's bad to do that.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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- United States
Rule 3 - Personal Attack on Poster
You sure? Because even if you don't think you are that's exactly what it looks like.
Valarauko
Demon of Power
- Location
- Angband
Precisely. They're excellent moments that remind us that things don't always bow down to the transcendent glory of the QPC. Sometimes stuff happens to constrain us that we don't get to prevent with a high enough roll.
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- Wherever I feel like being
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- He/Him
Staff Notice
You're trying to circumvent a ruling that the QM has already handed down, by asking an incredibly leading question. You're looking for a loophole.
TaliesinSkye
Occasional Editor
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I wonder, could the order-aligned races of Warhammer Fantasy survive the chaospocalyse by just getting off the planet?
It wouldn't matter if the forces of chaos flood from the poles if everyone's on ships headed somewhere else, right?
It wouldn't matter if the forces of chaos flood from the poles if everyone's on ships headed somewhere else, right?
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- madison
That would explain why they are so shocked the dwarvs are in fact strong enough to launch offensive operations, and brings up the dwarven weakness of predictability. They always attack if they have the stregh to do so rather than holding back for a better moment. Though I have to say, it is kinda a shame that dwarves don't use opportunistic tactics, their well suited to them. Their fortresses would give them ample breathing room to wait for an opening, and their foes tend to have wildly fluctuating strength, often carelessly expending it only to rapidly replenish it. If instead of attacking as soon as they think they can win, they waited for their foes to hit a low ebb, or even engineered a low ebb, they would likely be able to remove threats with far less blood.
which is interesting, because if there is one lesson to be taken from this day, its the power of choosing your moment. Sure we had the perfect moment drop into our laps, but if other dwarvs are going to try and capture this lighting in a bottle, waiting until their foe is at a low ebb is the lesson to take. Don't build a throng and attack, build a throng and wait for an enamy to expand its forces and then attack, with a side lesson of your enemies fighting being a common way that will happen.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Whoa, let's calm down the thread here, and not start this.
I really don't think much would have changed if Thorgrimm and Belegar had gotten along. We certainly didn't get any favour buy options to influence Dwarven culture and championing asymmetric tactics in K8P, or in any other Dwarven Hold, so why would we get them in Karaz-a-Karak?
We might have tried to stick even more Favour into Branulhune, and we'd probably have bought even more books from the additional Dwarf Favour earned from grudges, but other than that?
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- Australia
The GM has said that the attendants and the rat mothers are dead. I have accepted that and you can find that acceptance with trivial ease in my post if you cared even a little bit about the truth. These rat mothers and their attendants will die, but in the future, if Mathilde has more freedom to do what she wants, I want to know if there's a possibility for a different outcome.
On the flip side Mathilde shall have all the dwarf rep.
All of it.
Like she's already probably entered the collective memory of Karaz Ankor but now she'll be firmly imprinted at the forefront.
That's probably quite a bit better than anyone managed in the past couple centuries.
Grandmasters had to start from somewhere.
What makes Nagash or Neferata better than Mathilde beyond a willingness to use necromancy?
Basically nothing.
Sure they had time and experience but there's nothing inherently special about them that puts them beyond what other wizards can do.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Grimdark + Noblebright = "Nobledark"?
...that sounds fucking awesome, now that I think about it, and (warning: TVTropes links!) ties into two of my favorite character archetypes, the Anti-Nihilist and Knight in Sour Armor.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Actually, there was a special covenant their people had with their gods before they went all necromantic and broke the covenant. I don't remember the specifics though.
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- She/Her
Yes, the lizardmen did exactly that in the Endtimes. Then they all, except the Slaan, died on the ships so GW could make them into order daemons made of stars and the Slaan's memories.
TaliesinSkye
Occasional Editor
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- Northeast Ohio, United States
Fucking GW writers, man.
Royal blood, for one thing, which in Nehekhara more often than not came with actual, divinely granted superpowers. And way more resources than we can make use of. Also pretty much an immunity to consequences considering they were the absolute god-sovereigns of their city-states, nobody would even dare to question their experiments with necromancy until the consequences spread out of their territory.
There is probably more.
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Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
By all the gods I really hate a lot of aspects of the End Times and the stuff GW pulled to make AoS.
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- madison
That is the least interesting way they could bridge blasting off into space and becoming order demons. Some kind of magical uploading or simply new and better spawning pools would be more intresting then "they ded, now the slan are making order demons."
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It was apparently introduced in the Nagash Time of Legends books, I've never read them so I do not know the specifics. I also viceraly hate the entire concept and pray to Bragi (and Ranald for good measure) that BoneyM has the good taste not to go with it as canon.
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