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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Yeah though, right now, the area of biggest Concern in my book is Karag Rhyn--the Kvinn-Wyr Trolls in the undermountain there should be stopping them from opening an underground front, and aboveground is covered by the Caldera, but it's the only halfway coherent target left and we want to know the instant they start getting ready to fight again.

Zilfin is also an area of concern however, but we also need to keep a very close eye on Yar to know when we need to get ready to try and gouge out the winner.
 
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My thinking:

[ ] APPROACH: Thunderhorn
[ ] MANLING: Neither
[ ] LEAD: Sow Terror
[ ] Karagril-Karak Drazh Underway
[ ] Karag Rhyn
[ ] Under-Caldera

Get in, wreck shit, then get out so that next turn we can bait the greenskins into Karag Yar to wear their survivors out on those survivors.
 
Alectai said:
Yeah, the moment to assault Karag Yar would be the very instant someone wins, but before they have a chance to eat the loser. Right when they're coming off the Musk of Battle + Black Hunger steroid but before they've recovered their strength.
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This would be perfect, but perfect is not necessary in this case.

Considering how the battlefield was described - entire Karak fractured into many small battles all over the place with no clear frontlines - it would be incredibly hard for either faction to actually respond properly to a sudden dwarven invasion force, as any attempt to put up organized resistance will be stymied by opposed Skaven faction stabbing them in the face right now.

It is pretty much Hall of the Moon-tier mess, everywhere. Everyone is stabbing each other, the command lost control of the battlefield, then dwarven army comes in, without any warning, and starts killing all the Skaven while they struggle to properly disentangle themself from all that knife-fighting.

If the perfect scenario fails to manifests, that is fine. Just shoot them.
 
Robotninja said:
Yeah, but our build is tailor made for Spreading Terror in this situation. Come on. Don't you want to be so bad to the Skaven that they would pass horror stories of us if any of them survived?
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Ok, but we can do almost all of our Spreading Terror tricks just as well with an army behind us. This both helps the army (it guarantees that our tricks are happening at a useful point in space and time) and helps us (if things go tits up, like they did during the Karagril assassinations, we have backup).
 
picklepikkl said:
Ok, but we can do almost all of our Spreading Terror tricks just as well with an army behind us. This both helps the army (it guarantees that our tricks are happening at a useful point in space and time) and helps us (if things go tits up, like they did during the Karagril assassinations, we have backup).
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But will we? Mathilde chose of her own initiative to be a central commander in the last two battles, now maybe this battlefield will change that, but I'm not sure...

Plus, I kind of prefer shattering the integrity of the whole system, not just one bit at a time. We're still only one person and there are many tunnels, we can't be everywhere from the front but we can affect the whole area from the back.
 
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So, I think the three general things we can put the rangers on are coming around to 'what's up with the dragon, actually', 'what's up with the orcs vs the trolls', and 'let's not get ambushed in ambush-central'?

Ziflin, Rhyn, and the Trench fight, specifically.
 
picklepikkl said:
Ok, but we can do almost all of our Spreading Terror tricks just as well with an army behind us. This both helps the army (it guarantees that our tricks are happening at a useful point in space and time) and helps us (if things go tits up, like they did during the Karagril assassinations, we have backup).
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Presumably we can't or they would not be separate options. We are competent enough to avoid basic mistakes. If going alone to spread terror was inferior in every way to leading from the front, it would not be an option.
 
I stand by my earlier statement. Mathilde is fucking Harry Dresden, and the Karak is our burning building. Also, goddamn, Ranald must be having an absolute blast fucking with the Horned Rat. Seriously, the levels of bullshit that had to be applied for Esshin and Mors to get caught up like that are astronomical. And now I have the image in my head of them playing a weirdly reversed version of Tom and Jerry skits. Not to mention whatever the fuck is happening in Karag Rhyn...
As for those who are worried about gaining favor: we've already grabbed one mountain peak, another is empty, a third might well become so, and the fourth is well on its way to doing the same while the fifth is an utter clusterfuck. We could, very easily, regain the entire Karak. we don't need more favor, even considering the minimal gains we've already made.
 
My current take:
[ ] APPROACH: Thunderhorn
[ ] MANLING: Mercenary support
[ ] LEAD: Lead from the Front
[ ] Karag Zilfin
[ ] Karag Rhyn
[ ] Under-Caldera
EVA-Saiyajin said:
But will we? Mathilde chose of her own initiative to be a central commander in the last two battles, now maybe this battlefield will change that, but I'm not sure...
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Central commander is a specific choice. If we don't pick it, she won't do that. If we choose lead from the front, she will be out front with the Battleaxe Butterfly showing off Branalhune and Dread Aspect.
Robotninja said:
Presumably we can't or they would not be separate options. We are competent enough to avoid basic mistakes. If going alone to spread terror was inferior in every way to leading from the front, it would not be an option.
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My take on Spread Terror is "we roam around assassinating people and generally acting like a murdercat." Lead From The Front, instead, involves having an army behind us. But our ability to cast Dread Aspect doesn't disappear because Karak Azul is nearby.
 
picklepikkl said:
OK, people have pointed out that downbelow is a maze of twisty passages all alike, so the Besiegers are probably a poor choice. Wonder if we can redeploy them.
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I suppose we could leave them here to hold the hole into the Trench? Not what we hired them for, but it might be nice to remove the chance of some Mors holdouts getting their courage back and piling in behind us.
Angrund has better gear, Thunderhorn has a better leader and ten times the numbers. I think we want Kazador to roll his bonkers +35 command roll here.
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If 'eagerness to be the boot stamping down on a Skaven face' were a numerical bonus, the Angrund would have way higher numbers than the Azul Throng. I'm just not sure if it is, you know?
 
picklepikkl said:
Ok, but we can do almost all of our Spreading Terror tricks just as well with an army behind us. This both helps the army (it guarantees that our tricks are happening at a useful point in space and time) and helps us (if things go tits up, like they did during the Karagril assassinations, we have backup).
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Yeah, It's basically "Do you want to use Dread Aspect or Universal Confusion?"
 
[ ] APPROACH: Thunderhorn
[ ] MANLING: Mercenary support
[ ] LEAD: Sow Terror

[ ] Karag Rhyn
[ ] Karag Zilfin
[ ] Under-Caldera

my thoughts
kazador is the best general. and we are gonna need the numbers to comb the depths
the manlings were hired for exactly this kind of shit
sow terror is what we are fucking good for

lets get an update on the orks/goblins/trolls and skyre/dragon. we havent looked in to either this entire time, and we should definitely do so now that we know everywhere else is laying low or is pure chaos.

and we must support the trench clearing. absolute necessity.
 
To be honest, as long as we do not suddenly get wrekt, we are about to get a fairly massive infusion of dwarf favour anyway. Eye of Gazul killing hundreds of thousands orcs hopefully including one of the oldest and strongest warbosses in the world, responsibility for this whole operation, a number of regained peaks, grudges cleaned up, etc, etc, etc.

Even accounting for adjusted favor gain, that is still going to be fairly big, I think.
 
[ ] APPROACH: Thunderhorn
[ ] MANLING: Both
[ ] LEAD: Sow Terror

This is my inclination for the battle, my hope is with Mathilde cranking up the fear factor combined with the fact they literally just routed they never manage to properly reform.

[ ] Karag Zilfin
[ ] Karag Rhyn
[ ] Under-Caldera

Check up on the orcs/goblins/tolls situation as well as the Dragon/Skyre to get some updates.
 
Prospalz said:
To be honest, as long as we do not suddenly get wrekt, we are about to get a fairly massive infusion of dwarf favour anyway. Eye of Gazul killing hundreds of thousands orcs hopefully including one of the oldest and strongest warbosses in the world, responsibility for this whole operation, a number of regained peaks, grudges cleaned up, etc, etc, etc.

Even accounting for adjusted favor gain, that is still going to be fairly big, I think.
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I eagerly await graduating from umgi status. :V
 
So what I'm getting from this update is that Mathilde took what Belegar said last turn to heart. How he was basically having a crisis, maybe not quite of faith, but belief nonetheless. And it was the loss of dwarf lives in comparison to the size of the hold and the general unpleasantness of Dawi Politics that did it.

So Mathilde took that, went for an enthusiastic walk with a minion and decided to try and fix it in all of her cat glory. Did it while Belegar was away so he didn't have to bare the lost lives on his conscience by giving the orders, but he's gonna come back and most of his problems have been taken care of.

Another feather in the cap for Mathilde, Cat and general problem solver extraordinaire.

God, her catchphrase is gonna be 'There was an issue, but I took care of it.'
 
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