So I got the wrong message from the "this time" bit, then.
The passage reads less harshly, in that case.
Ta.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The passage reads less harshly, in that case.
Ta.
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Best guess? Mash up all the mutation and miscast charts in every WHF book ever published. Roll on it five or six times and pick the worst three.
Edit: Mathilde'd
I wonder if the Dwarves will give the tower a name now that it uses fire from one of their deities.
Guys if we really are going to make sure we complete this to the best of our ability their is something we need to do... We must sacrifice the best reading chair for this project!
The operation of a shadow mountain of death shooting the fire of dwarven hell is simply a more fitting purpose for a Dragon-skull chair taken from the remains of a college of necromancy. A personal sacrifice is sadly necessary for the greatness of firing the mountain from a rotating Dragon-skull but it must be done.
Also need to vote:
[X] ENTRANCE: Pleasant foyer
[X] Bedroom
[X] Library
[X] Vault
[X] Shrine to Ranald
[X] DUCK: Johann's investigation into the ratling gun has hit a wall. See if you can help.
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Some variation on or compound of "Zharrvengryn", the name of the literal sword of Gazul (and isn't it interesting that one of the Ancestor Gods wields a sword, rather than the traditionally-approved-of picks/axes/hammers?), I should think. I'm afraid I don't know nearly enough Khazalid to propose exactly what.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Well, actually now that I think about it, a Radar Spell of Ulgu isnt that far fetched really. We saw this chapter that we can use our Mage Sight for specific magical signatures, and there is apparently a way to generalize Orcs, Skaven, Beastmen, and the like regarding magical signature.
Maybe at the cost of pinpoint accuracy, we just apply the spell to have the largest range while only pinging that Yes, at that direction is some number of orc/skaven/beastmen/human/dwarf that is within reach of your spell range.
Or a medium range 2d map where we can pinpoint (with the caster as the center) where any target unit/s are excluding terrain and elevation.
Maybe at Fiendishly Complex to make hiding a bit more difficult/obvious. This would really only be fully useful on the Army scale, since specific person pings require our level of Mage Sight, and might be easy to avoid if said spell is already well known (would still be somewhat useful for rescues though).
Maybe at the cost of pinpoint accuracy, we just apply the spell to have the largest range while only pinging that Yes, at that direction is some number of orc/skaven/beastmen/human/dwarf that is within reach of your spell range.
Or a medium range 2d map where we can pinpoint (with the caster as the center) where any target unit/s are excluding terrain and elevation.
Maybe at Fiendishly Complex to make hiding a bit more difficult/obvious. This would really only be fully useful on the Army scale, since specific person pings require our level of Mage Sight, and might be easy to avoid if said spell is already well known (would still be somewhat useful for rescues though).
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No, you are thinking of a modern day camera-based security system. That still wouldn't require hundreds of enchanted items depending on the set-up, but that isn't what I'm proposing. I'm proposing a radar specifically an enchanted room/tower of that. Modern day radars can go for miles and we have no idea what kind of range we're looking at here. But it'sat a minimum good enough to fill up a room or more as a personal spell. At the very least, we can set up check-points which wouldn't be as good as a full coverage but would still be a amazing boon.
Like people have used radar and sound waves to map the ocean floor. Sure, I'm not expecting something exactly similar but looking at this and going "Oh it'd take hundreds of devices to be useful" is simply short-sighted and unimaginative.
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Explicit word of GM, magic has a big problem with range and communication, barring some kind of unambiguous and nonmagical carrier signal, like a mountain's shadow
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It's what has me so interested in what ever stunt/ trick Algebra managed to pull. He told a student to check a chart and the student checked it instantly. There was no lag between what Algebra saw, said, and actions took. Even though his body was hundreds of miles away at the time.
NuclearConsensus
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That's too bad, but also understandable.
First off, it was just an idle question, not a serious idea proposal. If it's possible, and it's not by Word of Boney, then great! Second, I didn't mean that Mathilde herself would do it. Given it involves runecraft I imagined it would be Kragg and Gunnars working together again. Third, and this might simply be my own interpretation of your reply, but your tone does not seem conducive to civil discussion and I believe it would be a good idea to ratchet it down a bit. If a heated reply was not your intention, then I apologize, but it does give off that impression, at least in my view.
DarkLight140
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I love this project, I'm not going to lie. I don't even think we need to do the research in advance, because we could roll the spell research into it as part of our assignment. It's going to take quite a while to do properly, though, and I have my own impossible hoped-for project to complete.
You see, Mathilde is becoming more and more killy. She's going for greater stealth, she can teleport, she can regenerate, her sword hits like a cannonball. She can lurk invisibly around while driving people insane and convincing them to murder one another. She's one of the most dangerous assassins in the Old World, and turn by turn we're shoring up the lingering holes in her skillset.
While the shadow tower has demonstrated to everyone that she can build world-impacting superweapons, to be honest that was as much a matter of coordinating four people who are better than her at this (a Patriarch, two Wizard Lords, and Kragg) as truly her own. It's not something she can put her stamp on and really show off, make everyone boggle at how ridiculous she is, personally, because it was a collaboration. I want something that's entirely hers.
And all her assassinations go unappreciated, because dwarfs don't really appreciate assassinations. Well, fine. We can do something they can't possibly ignore, and really flex. We can personally take over an entire Karag and hand it to Belegar on a platter.
[ ] PROJECT: Kvinn-Wyr
Kvinn-Wyr is a strategic boon, but it still needs to be retaken at some point. Perhaps a magical approach is the way to do so.
[ ] Investigate and map an area: Kvinn-Wyr
[ ] Kvinn-Wyr: Personally clear out the trolls in the Undermountain.
[ ] Kvinn-Wyr: Personally clear out the trolls in the mountain itself.
[ ] Kvinn-Wyr: Personally clear out the mutant trolls at the warpstone-tainted mountain peak.
[ ] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Coordinate with Dreng in occupying cleared areas of Kvinn-Wyr.
[ ] The Protector
And then we are legend.
Odds of pushing this vote through when we could be poking at long-term research are roughly 0% at this point, but it is my dream.
Might take a little bit of prepwork (ex., some seriously killy magic items or spells to help with mutant trolls) and additional training (invisibility, universal confusion, better assassination, etc.) to be realistic but it's not unachievable; we could actually do this. There's no light inside the mountain and Mathilde has Substance of Shadow, darkvision, and a hell of a lot of murder at hand.
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Oh yes. That paper suggests THINGS.
Because if you can do that stunt with Dhar, which doesn't like communicating and cooperating at all.
What could you do with Hysh or Ulgu, which LOVE communicating?
NuclearConsensus
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"The battle mountain is armed and ready for deployment."
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And does that quote apply here? I'll point out that WOG also compared the spell to a sonar ping.
Dismissing it as if it doesn't have any range would defeat the purpose of that spell. We don't need magic to see anything that is right in front of our eyes. Enchanting it into a room or a tower would boost the range of the base spell either way.
It also doesn't remove all the other reasons to learn the spell i.e it's actually a really useful spell.
I mean, I wouldn't mind it. I would have voted for it this turn if we had enough favor and the battle wizards weren't stuck in Sylvania.
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[X] ENTRANCE: Pleasant foyer
[X] Bedroom
[X] Library
[X] Bath Room
[X] Sitting Room
[X] DUCK: Johann's investigation into the ratling gun has hit a wall. See if you can help.
[X] DUCK: Work with Panoramia for her to finally get around to investigating the greenskin mushrooms she found.
[X] Bedroom
[X] Library
[X] Bath Room
[X] Sitting Room
[X] DUCK: Johann's investigation into the ratling gun has hit a wall. See if you can help.
[X] DUCK: Work with Panoramia for her to finally get around to investigating the greenskin mushrooms she found.
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Ah. No, definitely not intended to be heated; apologies. I do think it's eighteen kinds of stupid to poke the (to borrow a phrase from @BungieONI):
, when we're not Dawi and don't even entirely understand the wizardly bits, but I really didn't intend to come across as like. Aggressively confrontational on a personal level. Sorry about that ❤
EDIT: That said,
...I'm 99% certain it's possible, just far beyond our current skill level.
The impression I got was that Alakazam and company managed to transmit their entire consciousness to the location where they were telepresent, so they had (close enough to) zero transmission delay in the immediate vicinity, but would have several seconds to a few minutes delay on responding to anything in the location of their actual physical bodies.
Which doesn't mean it's not bullshit hax, merely that the hax are "transmit an entire sentient and sapient mind to a distant location and retrieve it intact when done as either an apprentice-level trick, or for large groups as a master-level trick" instead of "break the relatively-well-established 'Speed of Magic' to remote-control things far away without delay". It's still utterly horrifying on an in-character tactical level, but not outright-break-the-rules-of-how-shit-works-in-setting horrifying.
The chart-checking does complicate that view quite a bit, as presumably the chart in question was located back with their physical bodies and really ought to have had a delay in any case. Not entirely sure about this bit.
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[x] DUCK: Help Johann try to raise his new rat-wolf pups. With Wolf, if he's willing.
[X] ENTRANCE: Pleasant foyer
[X] Bedroom
Silk sheets will have to wait until Princess Edda finds some weavers. Also includes a nice comfortable dog bed for Wolf, a bookshelf for your recreational reading, and a wardrobe of grey robes.
[X] Library
Separated into three sections: Normal, Magical, and Classified. This allows guests to peruse portions of your library in accordance with their status. Includes a comfortable reading area and a few more private nooks; will be the home of your incredible dragon-skull chair.
[X] Bath Room
Between Dwarven plumbing and a combination of runes and enchantment, you could create a private bathroom that would make Emperors envious.
[X] Sitting Room
A room dedicated to socializing, from morning tea to formal meetings.
[X] ENTRANCE: Pleasant foyer
[X] Bedroom
Silk sheets will have to wait until Princess Edda finds some weavers. Also includes a nice comfortable dog bed for Wolf, a bookshelf for your recreational reading, and a wardrobe of grey robes.
[X] Library
Separated into three sections: Normal, Magical, and Classified. This allows guests to peruse portions of your library in accordance with their status. Includes a comfortable reading area and a few more private nooks; will be the home of your incredible dragon-skull chair.
[X] Bath Room
Between Dwarven plumbing and a combination of runes and enchantment, you could create a private bathroom that would make Emperors envious.
[X] Sitting Room
A room dedicated to socializing, from morning tea to formal meetings.
Mathilde, showing off:
You'd prepared for this, and had just hoped for an opportunity to show it off. With a moment of concentration with your MAP you project a shape for Ulgu to run through in the air, creating a model of the now-familiar Eight Peaks and their surrounds. "The Halflings already calculated our latitude by human reckoning; we're at about sixty percent north by the Praag-Norden wasteline, or about forty by the theoretical Northern Chaotic Pole, roughly equal to Verezzo." You trace two sets of lines. "We're looking at an almost exact east-west shadow on Sonnstill, which in the east covers the entire Eastern Path and the easternmost twenty percent of Death Pass, and in the west encompasses the entire Caldera and Eastern Valley. On Mondstille, the caldera and the Eastern Path are entirely spared, but about eighty percent of Death Pass falls under its shadow throughout the day."
Algard:
*smiles in smug*
You'd prepared for this, and had just hoped for an opportunity to show it off. With a moment of concentration with your MAP you project a shape for Ulgu to run through in the air, creating a model of the now-familiar Eight Peaks and their surrounds. "The Halflings already calculated our latitude by human reckoning; we're at about sixty percent north by the Praag-Norden wasteline, or about forty by the theoretical Northern Chaotic Pole, roughly equal to Verezzo." You trace two sets of lines. "We're looking at an almost exact east-west shadow on Sonnstill, which in the east covers the entire Eastern Path and the easternmost twenty percent of Death Pass, and in the west encompasses the entire Caldera and Eastern Valley. On Mondstille, the caldera and the Eastern Path are entirely spared, but about eighty percent of Death Pass falls under its shadow throughout the day."
Algard:
*smiles in smug*
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In general, the feasibility of a useful karak radar use basically comes from the fact that the dwarves basically just nailed a continuous steel beam(?) straight through a mountain and the fact that they can create ulgu conductive steel.
I think that if we can handle the discrete magical parts, the dwarves can handle any architectural problems.