Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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To be fair, Skaven die a lot. The book would essentially mean that a single Clan, whichever one ends up with it, has the same nigh-unstoppable amount of rat(-zombie) power to throw at any problem as the disunited Skaven collectively have before the book.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Don't you know, Han? The Shallyans have the most secret vampires in their ranks out of everybody!
Same reason we didn't get jade wizards
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Actually literally true. The Shallyans are just barely beyond being a public nice front for the Lahmians in the sense that they've kind of grown a life of their own to a certain extent.
While most Shallyans are genuinely compassionate healers worthy of the utmost respect. Enough are sleeper agents of the Lahmians or stupid enough to be puppets of Chaos that any Witch Hunter worth their salt won't trust one that hasn't been thoroughly vetted.
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- Germany
We didn't get any real ones.
Already asked BoneyM about this and our only Shallayans are mundane, incapable of channelling divine power.
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- Earth
[X] The vacuum must be filled. Step forward and take command. Fulfil Van Hal's final legacy in the manner that it begun.
[X] Do nothing with it; your role is to safeguard it.
[X] Do nothing with it; your role is to safeguard it.
That's a gross underestimation.
The Skaven threat is limited by:
-Skaven hate each other as much as they hate everything else.
--Zombie Skaven obey their necromancer unconditionally, allowing their sorcerors to amass power without needing to give a damn about backstabbing. By using controlled undead to control live Skaven, the bloc sizes of Skaven will approximately triple in size for how many they can keep controlled.
-Skaven eat a shitload of food, so their population is permanently in boom/bust cycles.
--Undead Skaven do not eat, but can fight. As with the above, it allows them to support even MORE rats without raising upkeep.
Now, magic is largely specific to each race's approach since magic is heavily mental and mnemonics which work for humans don't necessarily cross over to Beastmen or Orcs properly...but its a start we probably don't want to see.
That said, based on thread voting trends I think we should be fine with keeping it under lock and key, with rare times when we have nothing important going on, we can spend a Blessing to study it.
But we're unlikely to do so because theres so many Grey Magic spells to master, we've yet to touch the Shyish Kebabs, or the Qyash Juice.
So the ultimate security is with us because the power of temptation loses to the power of procrastination.
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- Aotearoa
For real? Warhammer is a weird place.
Most of my knowledge dates back to absorbing the first ed RPG, and maybe a third(?) edition unified WFB army manual, and playing a campaign or two.
Edit: and tangentially Blood Bowl 2nd ed and Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader.
Which should all carbon-date me pretty accurately.
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[X] The vacuum must be filled. Step forward and take command. Fulfil Van Hal's final legacy in the manner that it begun.
[X] Do nothing with it; your role is to safeguard it.
Goddamn that entire update was basically "Woman who thought she'd lost all hope loses last additional bit of hope she didn't even know she still had", even the bare failure to ask help from Ranald simply had him trying to comfort Mathilde.
The update is well written, but I am going to look at pictures of kittens to cheer me up now.
[X] Do nothing with it; your role is to safeguard it.
Goddamn that entire update was basically "Woman who thought she'd lost all hope loses last additional bit of hope she didn't even know she still had", even the bare failure to ask help from Ranald simply had him trying to comfort Mathilde.
The update is well written, but I am going to look at pictures of kittens to cheer me up now.
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- Romania
[X] The vacuum must be filled. Step forward and take command. Fulfil Van Hal's final legacy in the manner that it begun.
[X] This is a religious matter; turn it over to the Black Guard of Morr.
[X] This is a religious matter; turn it over to the Black Guard of Morr.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
Wait, necromancer doesn't have a control cap for raised minion? What's stopping a random necro from camping at a waste somewhere and grind for endless dead people?
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- Aotearoa
Madness? Miscasts? Mutation?
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Nothing at all. Single necromancers who get on a good burial site are Lord level threats.
It's why the Cult of Morr has zero tolerance for that shit.
Like, theoretically, there's a cap, but practically, a single decent Necromancer can raise an army that requires your local Elector Count to respond in force. A good one can individually be a national level threat.
Welcome to Warhammer. Individuals can require the force of nations to even have a hope of opposing.
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Sinsystems
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It technically does have a bit of a power cap/knowledge/skill cap with the number and quality of the Undead generally rising with the power/skill of the caster. However Skaven can bypass the power restriction through Warpstone and the Book is the holy grail of Necromantic Knowledge outside of the Books of Nagash.
Guess why rogue necromancers take armies to put down once they set up. Why the Von Carsteins soloed half the Empire. The main thing stopping necromancers from unleashing endless waves of dead people are:
-Buggering up the spells and exploding. Anyone relying on bulk quantities of reanimated dead is going to be casting the spell often enough that theres a good chance they explode eventually. Dhar doesn't play nice with spell failure.
-Mainlining too much Dhar and going insane, then using even MORE powerful necromancy, doping up with warpstone, until they bugger up the spells and explode.
-They have limited fine control without being personally there as far as I can tell, but they can program undead and use them as automatons, or they can raise the dead and then let them run loose an a ranch style.
-Corpses are usually well protected in much of the Empire, and Imperial policy is to mutilate any corpses they can't bury in a secured area. Lesser necromancers would find no use in a maimed skeleton, and would have to resort to murder, theft or salvage. The former two gets them Witch Hunters or lynch mobs before they have an army going. THe latter gets them killed by ancient Wight Kings or other wild undead eventually.
FlyingScanian
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- Land of Eternal Night
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- He/Him
Well, that was gutwrenching. In all the wrong ways. Not gonna leave like some have loudly proclaimed (although I doubt people notice me anyway, I tend to be quiet), but by all the gods do I need something to cheer me up...
[X] The vacuum must be filled. Step forward and take command. Fulfil Van Hal's final legacy in the manner that it begun.
[X] Do nothing with it; your role is to safeguard it.
You know what would make a great funeral pyre (or at least a huge-ass bonfire to mark that a great man has passed) for our Count? The town of Drakenhof!
To those voting to just plain leave: You think that's a good way of repaying Van Hal. If we're there, we might be able to scavenge something from what he did. We leave, and we risk it falling to pieces. (I might be overestimating how me we could do here... but at least we might manage to avoid a total morale collapse if we're seen about doing something)
To @BoneyM : I assume that "taking command" means "making sure the generals do what they're intended to do and be a consolidating will, ceding command of the details to those better than us at it", not "make up a new plan from scratch". Am I (kind of) right in this?
[X] The vacuum must be filled. Step forward and take command. Fulfil Van Hal's final legacy in the manner that it begun.
[X] Do nothing with it; your role is to safeguard it.
You know what would make a great funeral pyre (or at least a huge-ass bonfire to mark that a great man has passed) for our Count? The town of Drakenhof!
To those voting to just plain leave: You think that's a good way of repaying Van Hal. If we're there, we might be able to scavenge something from what he did. We leave, and we risk it falling to pieces. (I might be overestimating how me we could do here... but at least we might manage to avoid a total morale collapse if we're seen about doing something)
The way it's phrased, "going full Commissar" seems to be exactly what it would be.
To @BoneyM : I assume that "taking command" means "making sure the generals do what they're intended to do and be a consolidating will, ceding command of the details to those better than us at it", not "make up a new plan from scratch". Am I (kind of) right in this?
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Yes, forcing everyone to continue with the plan as Van Hal envisioned it and see the campaign through to the bitter end.
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- Aotearoa
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Mathilde Weber the Dark Lady of Loyalty
Sleeper Agent can only really start to be pried off if we find out who's on the other end.
[X] The body must be escorted to it's final rest, in either Wurtbad or Altdorf. Remain by Van Hal's side. Whatever happens.
[X] Do nothing with it; your role is to safeguard it.
Well this was depressing but maybe it'll let us explore a different side of Weber seeing as @BoneyM had previously mentioned that her character was now developed enough to write even if she wasn't the spymaster of Stirland and now we have a chance to try that out.
[X] Do nothing with it; your role is to safeguard it.
Well this was depressing but maybe it'll let us explore a different side of Weber seeing as @BoneyM had previously mentioned that her character was now developed enough to write even if she wasn't the spymaster of Stirland and now we have a chance to try that out.