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Vlad alone was Nehekharan, which could explain it.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Vlad alone? I assume you mean of the Von Carsteins and not the vampires period?
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So how much of what Mathilde just did becoming known? A major purpose of our actions was to advertise K8P, so having too much of this wrapped up with secrecy tape is a kick in the teeth for our actual job. Perils of being a thankless Grey Magister while also a public representative.
The Elector Counts knowing would definitely be nice.
A swiveling chair. In a library or meeting room.
Well, that changed my mind about whether the chair option is acceptable or not. A chair in which you can dramatically turn around to face the people who just entered... How can you not pick something as spy-movie (or associated movie genre (or videogame, because I can picture Resident Evil fitting too)) as that??
Though, I really did like the idea of keeping it back in order to use it for something as metal as Burning Shadows... Though on the other hand, we have no idea if/when we'd ever get to use that tower, and so if it'd ever be mentioned in text. Whereas a chair can be often used and thus you can easily find a way to mention it in text.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Well everybody knows something got the Emperor kicked up about Sylvania. That's what the common dude in Altdorf and Nuln knows.
The important people, in this case the emperor, found out about it and I don't think he's going to be shy about answering questions.
how the hell did this man uncover the conspiracy blackmailing us?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Mmmh, you'd think that, but it is important. Here's why: We think so. We think there's a difference, a line we haven't crossed yet. Legally we're going to be burned, but mentally we've only looked at it, not touched it yet.
The decision to actually go and use Dhar with the understanding that anybody seeing us do it will annihilate our entire existence as a human in good standing with the forces of Order is a massive leap over that line, even though physically it's only the difference between whether or not we try out the one spell we read the book for, which is pretty much only useful for making other Dhar users shut up.
Or, in short, it's not that it'll change our legal status in any way, because anybody seeing us with the book will do basically the same thing, but it means that the thread is 'willing to dabble', and the mental processes of the thread and Mathilde are one and the same. It's another step the thread would make on the path to living in a volcano for the free hot bath water and just carrying a bunch of skulls on our clothes because otherwise we might need to leave them behind and they'll get lost and become a problem again.
Persistent rolling every turn and ties with an organization basically made to ferret out this sort of trouble, I'd wager.
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- Australia
A floating swiveling chair.
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- USA
We never saw Stirland's Witch Hunters while we worked for him. I assume that's what he had them doing.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
yeah.
Also, I know what to do with the Protector coin face. Basically we become the James Bond of Grey order (i.e. a meh spy, but an excellent secret agent/assassin that blows up everything once we get there) while wearing it. This makes us the most well known grey wizard (not necessarily the best, just the most famous among the populous) making both enemies and allies think that all grey order wizards act like us, and so provide more cover to the ones trying to be sneaky.
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Eh... the laws also screw with our buddy Ranald and are generally written by people like Roswita.
The Empire's treatment of its magic users is the worst of basically any good or even order aligned faction - which coupled with all the other rot clearly seen at the top basically makes respect for the law a detriment.
This on the other hand seems like a far better reason to eschew using Dhar.
I was mainly thinking about how to best disable Skaven war machinery since that's the only immediate threat Mathilde doesn't have large bonuses to countering.
At least the heads of each Order and most of the important wizards will know.
Other people probably won't know the exact details... but Mathilde's frequent flights around Stirland probably aren't going to go unnoticed.
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- his hidden lair
I reiterate because you're focused on the wrong part of my arguments:
I still think it's reprehensible to hide behind that alone. It has nothing to do with actually using Dhar and everything to do with acknowledging why reading the Liber Mortis is so transgressive. That people who have made no mistake but trusting us will catch the backlash of our decision. That our Master, so proud of us will be tarred by his association. It's not about the Articles. And it's not about being able to save face among the Dwarfs if we do get found out. At least it shouldn't be, not to me.
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You know, if we really want to make a long time difference for the empire, that Great Deed is exactly the kind of thing that would let us recruit Dwarven aid to reverse engineer the Steam Tanks.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Okay, let me put it this way.
I'm not trying to suggest we're not dancing that razor's edge and that we're liable to get fucked for being cheeky enough to dance on that razor's edge on the first place.
What I'm trying to say is that "Just because we're wearing cleats so we don't slide down the slippery slope doesn't mean that we should start working our way down the mountain of damnation just because we're doing it on our own power instead of gravity's cold embrace"
AKA: Dhar, not even once
I'm not trying to suggest we're not dancing that razor's edge and that we're liable to get fucked for being cheeky enough to dance on that razor's edge on the first place.
What I'm trying to say is that "Just because we're wearing cleats so we don't slide down the slippery slope doesn't mean that we should start working our way down the mountain of damnation just because we're doing it on our own power instead of gravity's cold embrace"
AKA: Dhar, not even once
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Ranald worshiper, huh? She might actually be a lost Haupt-Anderssen.
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- Goose Land
[X] Kragg the Grim, who you could likely convince to start gloating.
[X] Try to find Kasmir in Sylvania.
[X] Check in on the Gong Farmers and the Niter Factory.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
[X] Belegar
I'm glad we now have these social turns because we'd never get to doing any of these otherwise.
[X] Try to find Kasmir in Sylvania.
[X] Check in on the Gong Farmers and the Niter Factory.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
[X] Belegar
I'm glad we now have these social turns because we'd never get to doing any of these otherwise.
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Clearly Mathilde becoming a Slayer is the first step on the road to becoming a Lahmian Vampire.... and beginning an eternal secret Virgil of protecting humanity and Dawi alike from the forces of Chaos, Greenskins and Skavens.
It'd be hilariously awesome if the chair could only float within the confines of our Sanctum ontop Karag Nar, and only within the confines of our Sanctum. To make it float outside would require knowledge of Slaan magics, something Mathilde most definitely won't be getting her hands on in the foreseeable future. The advanced, twenty turns of "aesthetic" investment in-version chair might well make Mathilde very difficult to fight within her Sanctum, but won't help Mathilde in her missions outside her Sanctum at all. But it does mean that Mathilde's chances against a Clan Eshin Master Assassin trying to come for Mathilde within her sanctum goes from a potentially quest-ending near-hopeless boss battle, to a competitive fight.
Actually, why bother with a staff, to begin with, come to think of it? Mathilde should go full Dwarf and craft herself a Throne to fight atop on.
Just like the Dwarven High King and Slaan Priests.Long Term Project Post Snake Juice and Theurgy: Craft a Throne of Power.
Dwarven Infection intensifies.
Seriously speaking, I'm hoping for Sanctum upgrades that would improve the security of Mathilde in the sanctum, and improve Mathilde's readiness to receive visitors, unlike poor Alkaline. I'm sure that upon reflecting upon the manner of Alhazard's death, Mathilde might well have the idea in her head that she eventually needs to start adding private defenses to her sanctum, just in case.
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You know, we're not getting too much mileage out of our fief at the moment aside from income from 35 gc/turn. What if we offered to the colleges to house battle wizards and their handlers there while they campaign in Sylvania? They have to have some sort of downtime. A sort of Mage Hostel/Hotel of sorts? It might be a good way to gain rep and money from the colleges. Further improvements to the estate along those lines might also reap some unusual benefits as well.
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- his hidden lair
What the hell, I responded once- I'll respond again briefly. At the end of the day, it's about the fact that we are solely on this mountain face by our own choices. That's fair. We chose to do so because we thought the experience would be a net positive despite the risk. But that doesn't change the fact that if we fall, here or a dozen meters down- all the people connected to our line are going to start being dragged with us. A bunch of people of no particular crime are going to be paying for ours to one extent or another if we go tumbling down. So it stands to reason we have two additional obligations as a result of reading- to ensure we never fall to the best of our ability, and to try and get the utmost benefit out of our reading. I don't want it to be about Mathilde, or at least solely her stance on the matter because these potential choices will never just affect Mathilde.
Ultimately, I don't want Mathilde to be any more eager about using Dhar than you do- but I want her to consider the issue beyond her opinion on the matter. If our choices are destined to make Papa Regimand sad and disappointed then let's at least focus on making sure the outcome makes that consequence worth it.
Edit: I suppose I should thank everyone who argued with me. It's helped me articulate and put a point to my thoughts on the Dhar matter. Sorry I got so animated about it.
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I think that might make the people around our fief just the tad bit jumpy, not to mention the inhabitants of it. Battle wizards have the bad tendency to explode. Not that it couldn't work mind you just would take a bit more diplomacy then I think Mathilde is capable of
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BungieONI
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Fort Redemption is closer, and better furnished, and more secure. so I don't see it like much of a good reason to inflict Battle Wizards onto our peeps.
Okay I have lurked for years and years. But I had to sign up for this quest. first off I have really enjoyed the adventures of mathilde. but I signed up because I am afraid if I don't engage in the thread the story will go in a direction I cannot enjoy.
Just to be clear I am a very shy person. that does not mean I don't care. I am very worried when I hear that the discussions in the thread affect the way mathilde behaves. I know that I am not very good at discussing things and I am very awkward in general. I don't want to feel forced to engage even though it makes me anxious.
Some posters say things like. "I think most agree with" etc.. others are just loud. I dont want our PC to use dhar ever. no practicing, nothing. So I feel a small minority of LOUD people are influencing the PC just because they are LOUD not because that's where most of us want to go.
I know I cannot argue with some people. I don't want to argue with a metaphorical brick wall just so the story does not go their way. What I am trying to say @BoneyM is just because I am quiet does not mean I am not invested. Just because people don't want to argue does not make them less committed.
Just to be clear I am a very shy person. that does not mean I don't care. I am very worried when I hear that the discussions in the thread affect the way mathilde behaves. I know that I am not very good at discussing things and I am very awkward in general. I don't want to feel forced to engage even though it makes me anxious.
Some posters say things like. "I think most agree with" etc.. others are just loud. I dont want our PC to use dhar ever. no practicing, nothing. So I feel a small minority of LOUD people are influencing the PC just because they are LOUD not because that's where most of us want to go.
I know I cannot argue with some people. I don't want to argue with a metaphorical brick wall just so the story does not go their way. What I am trying to say @BoneyM is just because I am quiet does not mean I am not invested. Just because people don't want to argue does not make them less committed.
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IIRC Vlad as one of the Original Nehekharan Vampires actually became a vampire by a different route than most/all others. Neferata turned herself...somehow, but her first-gen buddies like Vlad/Vashanesh she turned by means of some kind of potion or elixir. However the second generation and later are done by ritual. So the answer is probably "one of the first" with a side-order of "most people turned into vampires have been standing next to a Dhar-user for awhile and their brains were already kinda rotted".
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
It's not about that to me either. The only one who will meaningfully know is Mathilde. Having read the Liber Mortis, we've already crossed the line everybody else would care about. This is entirely a matter of Self-justification.
But Self-Justification is our corruption bar, because it's the one that actively hits the thread. It's the difference between everybody telling ourselves we never actually used Dhar, and us going 'yeah, but we've never done bad things with it'.
The same way the thread doesn't like Sigmar, and so we got the trait, the thread self-justifies, and so Mathilde changes the way she thinks. It's the difference, if she is discovered, between her saying 'I'm sorry' very tearfully, and her going 'you don't understand!', and then flipping the switch to unleash the necro-crocodiles that breath laser skulls (Omegahugger will have convinced us to add them for laughs; we never expected them to come up again).
It's a potted cactus fief. It's not meant to be a big economic thing, it's there to sustain itself while we check in once a decade and make sure everybody is living happily on their own, so that we can be a noble. We've already dumped basically a fortune on improving their lot; they're probably some of the best treated commoners in the Empire, on a case by case basis.
Perhaps, but if you are quiet they can't know how you feel. Taking the step to speak up if you're against it is important.
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