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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Changing vote based on Veekie's analysis and other stuff.


[X] Proof of the 'College of Necromancy'.
[X] Books on Vampires and Dhar.
[X] Books on Shyish and death gods.
 
chocolote12 said:
Well, we wouldn't have been the spymaster, to begin with. We might have been a piety advisor, assuming we chose mostly the same options in character generation, but I'd expect a close relationship with Morr over Ranald given the wind synergies. So instead of trying to ferret out the old advisor's bookkeeping, we might have been in charge of priest wrangling or something, and trying to sniff out vampires.
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Death Mage was actually an option for Spymaster. Only In Stirland...
 
DragonParadox said:
There is one thing that needs to be made clear, all that is mortal and bound to the warp will die, Mathilde, Kragg anyone and everyone we could leave that skull, give it enough time and they will die, cities will perish civilizations will crumble. Vampires do not die, ever, they are at most corporeally inconvenienced. the only way to truly kill a vampire would be to drop all his earthly remains through a warp rift.
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I mean, based on current knowledge.

But the world turns and knowledge advances. Every day wizards learn a little bit more.

Who is to say that with enough time, someone sufficiently clever won't figure out a way to kill vampires permanently? That's the danger for vampires depending on an infinite time horizon for their assured return. Given an infinite time horizon, the fundamentals of their situation might change.
 
REAPER35 said:
Stirland gets a chunk of poisoned scrubland with a undead problem from the ambient dhar, and they are going to forget about the lush breadbasket of Stirland that was taken from them and given to the halflings because they irritated the Emperor? Not seeing it. I'm thinking it'll be more "Oh we don't have to worry about being eaten by the dead... Now about our farmland."
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That'd be a major thread in The Charming Adventures of Halfling Friend Magister Panoramia Quest, most likely.
 
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[ ] Detailed trade ledgers.
Rarity:
-Uncommon. Its nothing that can't be achieved by other means, means the EIC is going to use already.
Utility:
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A good point. Now that we know it's there, even if we don't have any details from taking the ledgers, we can dedicate the EIC info-network to finding it. And we just so happen to have already started a focus on Sylvania...
 
[X] Proof of the 'College of Necromancy'.
[X] Books on Vampires and Dhar.
[X] Books on Shyish and death gods.

Everyone, please listen to Veekie. Vampire books on Vampires from the Vampire faction that was friends with Nagash is ridiculous. It's irreplacable. Fighting the corruption of the merchants can be done by other people, with some decent rolls and a few simulated action points; it's nice to have, but not supernaturally good. Is there a cost for not taking it? Yes. But there's a cost for everything. Ferreting out corruption isn't nearly so hard as coming across Necrarch tomes.

On the other hand, this is lore straight from Nehekhara, about Vampires, by vampires, and vampires wrote the books on vampirism before they actually went and became them, because vampirism was originally an academic endeavor. If you want to know about the nature of the soul, this is your chance. If you want to know about what vampires really eat and why, here it is. If you want to create your own ascension ritual, stealing your notes from somebody who actually got somewhere is an excellent first step.

Yes, it's a gatcha roll. You know what? So was the Snake Juice, and the first roll we got, and it was a mediocre roll before we stacked the bonuses on it, let us get a shot at giving Kragg the Grim Ancestor Runes for every battle. As in, Storms of Magic style double battle magic. If these books are useless, they're useless. If they're amazing, they're amazing.
 
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chocolote12 said:
Everyone, please listen to Veekie. Vampire books on Vampires from the Vampire faction that was friends with Nagash is ridiculous. It's irreplacable. Fighting the corruption of the merchants can be done by other people, with some decent rolls and a few simulated action points; it's nice to have, but not supernaturally good.
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The vampire books are determined by a roll.
 
ADarkerPorpoise said:
would be an absolute nightmare vortex to GM, but damn if it wouldn't be cool! Doubly so if it actually managed to actually quarantine users to the quest they pick, just everyone was constantly catching each other by surprise.
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Has anyone here actually heard of a quest where two different groups of voters control two different entities?
The closest I can think of was this one Worm quest across SB/SV where on one forum people controlled an alternate Taylor while on the other they controlled her Shard that was trying to drive her to conflict and other data gathering opportunities.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Qhaysh Power Stones already are known to exist, and presumably there exists an intermediate form of partially condensed Qhaysh as well.

Snekjuice is something completely different from that whole chart - it's raw Aethyric energy that, unlike Qhaysh, has never been split into the eight winds.
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Damn, good point. I'd forgotten that.
Valarauko said:
Great. Now I'm gonna spend time trying to apply matsci to this. At least half of this is better approached as quasi-chemical reactions. The problem with representing Dhar on a phase diagram is that it implies that it's reversible. You alter conditions and can move out of a Dhar region and recover individual Winds. Hence a quasi-chemical reaction to consume/alter the constituents. For phase stuff, consider also for the solid that microstructure is not well-represented on a phase diagram; rate of cooling has a major effect on microstructure. Look at TTT diagrams.
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Hmm. I did some napkin scribbles about flowcharting phase transformations starting from the entry of raw warpstuff into reality (through divine realms to divine magic, through the polar vortexes or thinned veil areas to the winds of magic, or through Highly Unusual BullshitCircumstances to Snekjuice) and from there through the various possible phase changes, curdling into Dhar, etc. but it all ended up a little bittotally messy/incoherent. I'll probably ponder it for a bit and either try again or give up tomorrow.
REAPER35 said:
Moot might not be too happy either. a Stirland with a sudden surplus of cash and a severally weakened or destroyed sylvania won't sit too well with them either.
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REAPER35 said:
I'm thinking it'll be more "Oh we don't have to worry about being eaten by the dead... Now about our farmland."
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Firstly, Roswita has zero interest in repossessing the Moot. Secondly, the Moot is legally its own county and has equal legal standing and quite possibly more influence in the capital than Stirland. Thirdly, the halflings also just put themselves very firmly and publicly in the Dwarfs' camp, meaning any attempt to repossess the moot is a matter of not only national but international politics. I don't see this particular dispute even happening in this generation (though it might very well come up again in sixty or a hundred years).
 
chocolote12 said:
Everyone, please listen to Veekie. Vampire books on Vampires from the Vampire faction that was friends with Nagash is ridiculous. It's irreplacable. Fighting the corruption of the merchants can be done by other people, with some decent rolls and a few simulated action points; it's nice to have, but not supernaturally good.
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I don't want Vampire books. I don't think I like what some posters would do with Vampire books. I'm not interested.
 
chocolote12 said:
If you want to know about the nature of the soul, this is your chance. If you want to know about what vampires really eat and why, here it is. If you want to create your own ascension ritual, stealing your notes from somebody who actually got somewhere is an excellent first step.
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...eeeughh. Not that keen, and Mathilde is literally more on the Practical side than the academic. Deal with Vampires with Runic Greatsword.
 
TempestK said:
The vampire books are determined by a roll.
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You know what? So was the Snake Juice, and the first roll we got, and it was a mediocre roll before we stacked the bonuses on it, let us get a shot at giving Kragg the Grim Ancestor Runes for every battle. As in, Storms of Magic style double battle magic. If these books are useless, they're useless. If they're amazing, they're amazing.
Mopman43 said:
I don't want Vampire books. I don't think I like what some posters would do with Vampire books. I'm not interested.
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I am interested.
Alliterate said:
...eeeh. Not that keen, and Mathilde is literally more on the Practical side than the academic. Deal with Vampires with Runic Greatsword.
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I like doing fun magical things. Greatswording is entirely unrelated to this; martial isn't learning.
 
Kornet said:
Hello, countess, look at your spymaster, now back to me, now back at your spymaster, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me, but if he stopped worshipping Sigmar and switched to Ranald, he could be wathced over like he's me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on a gyro with the spymistress your spymaster could be watched over like. What's in your hand, back at me. I have it, it's the skull of that pesky necrarch you absolutely hate. Look again, the skull is now intel reports. Anything is possible when your spymaster worshippes Ranald and not Sigmar. I'm on a shadowhorse.
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As per turn results and voting pattern; this is actually going to happen now isn't it.



[X] Books on Shyish and death gods.
[X] Books on Vampires and Dhar.
 
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Mopman43 said:
I don't want Vampire books. I don't think I like what some posters would do with Vampire books. I'm not interested.
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What if it pointed towards accomplishing what no one else ever has and figuring out how to kill vampires permanently? Would you like that?

And if that's too much to hope for, what if it let us target their weaknesses and kill them more efficently? What if it granted a Vampire Slayer traits? Would you be interested in that?
 
No. I don't care about the books on Vampires and Dhar, we're never going to go Vampire if we can help it, and we're never going to use Dhar unless its an apocalyptic Scenario and we have to use The Second Secret.

I don't care abit about Shyish, because its something we can ask the Amethyst College for, and Death Gods have nothing to do with our own divine Patron and Theugry Drive.

I don't care about books on Necromancy and the Undead because we have the fucking Liber Mortis in our tower in 8 Peaks, and anything that could possibly match or rival that, is going to be covered in bad juju cast by Manfred or worse Nagash himself. No thanks.


chocolote12 said:
On the other hand, this is lore straight form Nehekhara, about Vampires, by vampires, and vampires wrote the books on vampirism before they actually went and became them, because vampirism was originally an academic endeavor. If you want to know about the nature of the soul, this is your chance. If you want to know about what vampires really eat and why, here it is. If you want to create your own ascension ritual, stealing your notes from somebody who actually got somewhere is an excellent first step.
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You assume that. This fucker is using a Nehekhara name. Guess what? That could just be something he chose to sound impressive. There is nothing shown IC that he is actually some ancient Nehekharian wiseman that has long lost lore. Its a pipe dream of people wishing for a Nat 100 and implying its anything else is lying to the other players.

I want the Proof of the College of Necromancy, because that is proof to the Empire we did something just like Belegar asked us to do, and the Trade Papers help make Rosie's life easier, reduce the number of dead Stirlander soldiers that will fall taking down the other vampires, and because a bunch of traitors not to The Empire but Humanity Itself will otherwise get away clean, and likely offer their services to other Dark Powers. Its our fucking job as a Grey Wizard to deal with such traitors and I'm not going to put that aside for the CHANCE to MAYBE get some personal shinies.
 
chocolote12 said:
You know what? So was the Snake Juice, and the first roll we got, and it was a mediocre roll before we stacked the bonuses on it, let us get a shot at giving Kragg the Grim Ancestor Runes for every battle. As in, Storms of Magic style double battle magic. If these books are useless, they're useless. If they're amazing, they're amazing.
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You're not making an equivalent comparison. The snake juice was something we could come back to at our leisure, something we could investigate again and again. The books are a one-off crapshoot. They're literally nothing alike.
 
Briefvoice said:
What if it pointed towards accomplishing what no one else ever has and figuring out how to kill vampires permanently? Would you like that?

And if that's too much to hope for, what if it let us target their weaknesses and kill them more efficently? What if it granted a Vampire Slayer traits? Would you be interested in that?
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If we knew that was in there? Maybe. If that's all that was in there.

But we don't, and I'm not.
 
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