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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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ctulhuslp said:
Next turn. Action economy is critical to gameplay, but finally poking snake juice is critical to not letting the thread catch fire, which is arguably more important. :V
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That loses us a paper writing action, which loses us a magical item on the level of the Torc.

I counter with: Snakejuice is an ongoing action sink, start this turn using the general lab to study it while we simultaneously build our College Favor Factory, then progress to Tower of Neutrality next 6-month turn.
 
Guile said:
That loses us a paper writing action, which loses us a magical item on the level of the Torc.

I counter with: Snakejuice is an ongoing action sink, start this turn using the general lab to study it while we simultaneously build our College Favor Factory, then progress to Tower of Neutrality next 6-month turn.
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Nah, thread discussion around previous vote was "snake juice now", and argument against it was "we will do it as soon as we get research tower because it's literally demonic blood". The current plan barely won against the next plan, because next plan had snake juice.
If we now do not do research tower, people in thread are going to feel lied to - because they will, in fact, have been lied to.

That's more important than any mechanics, in my eyes.
 
Vocalend said:
Between A. Armour, RoBaM, and Guard of Steel, we're looking at someone who could conceivably have 4+ To Hit and 5+ To Wound, with perhaps the cherry of 6+ Armour Save. And if that's not enough, Law of Gold and Fault of Form ensures that weapons that can hurt him would malfunction - as seen in the update. It's interesting to see the divergence of tanking philosophy between him and Mathilde. Johann forgoes healing for full on Gold Tank build while Mathilde goes for Evasion Tank with Heal insurance. I'd still put Mathilde as a winner in any hypothetical scuffle if the madlad does decide to go Black Magister (he can't run fast enough from Shadowsteed) but he would certainly make her earn the kill.
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If you think about it, Johann and Mathilde working together looks a lot like a classic two-man MMORPG Tank and Spank team- one tanky pugilist class, and one assassin burst DPS class with exceptionally high self-regen. They are only lacking a third part of the triangle, a healer, but Mathilde's stealth and absurd regeneration belt , coupled with Johann's insane durability and gear failure debuffs more than make up for that lack of healer. That's a terrifying build that together could probably face boss tier enemies quite a good ways above their weight class if they can work together well.
 
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[X] ENCHANTMENT Grounding Rod
[X] [KRAGG] Hit Hard
[X] Tower of Utter Neutrality
[X] [SPIDER] They are the very definition of 'miscellaneous weirdness' and thus the responsibility of the Court Wizard.
[X] [SHOPPING] A Marksdwarf Pistol.
 
Guile said:
That loses us a paper writing action, which loses us a magical item on the level of the Torc.

I counter with: Snakejuice is an ongoing action sink, start this turn using the general lab to study it while we simultaneously build our College Favor Factory, then progress to Tower of Neutrality next 6-month turn.
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I counter with no, I've made repeated promises I'm not going to break them for a single extra free action on papers. Hell even if the bonus was a lot better than that I wouldn't do it. I gave my word.

ctulhuslp said:
That's more important than any mechanics, in my eyes.
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absolutely.
 
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[x] [ENCHANTMENT] Burning Vengeance item.
[X] [SHOPPING] Marksdwarf pistol

Guys, please, can we have this?

Burning Vengeance item will let us initiate bloody feuds between various skaven and greenskin chieftains - all we need os a pair of names, and that can be easily obtained by either evesdropping or prisoner capture and interrogation - you don't even need high-ranking prisoners, every single mook knows what's the name of the boss around!

That's a strategic weapon in the reclamation effort!

And it's 5 favour if I'm not mistaken, wr can easily spare that much, especially given that next turn we are building the auto-paper-writing tower.

The marksdwarf pistol gives us a bit more of utility at the cost if a bit less than 150 gold, dawongr-applicable.


Please, guys, please!

Edit: and now to get shower, breakfast and catch up on the thread.
 
Guile said:
That loses us a paper writing action, which loses us a magical item on the level of the Torc.

I counter with: Snakejuice is an ongoing action sink, start this turn using the general lab to study it while we simultaneously build our College Favor Factory, then progress to Tower of Neutrality next 6-month turn.
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The reason people are going for Snakejuice isn't because of efficiency, it's political. Those who argued against SnekJuice last few turns promised to vote for it this time and we won't go against that now. You might have a better chance to argue that a single extra action early is worth losing the bonus or some other way, but Snek-juice is happening this turn and the research tower is basically synonymous with that now.
 
Kornet said:
[x] [ENCHANTMENT] Burning Vengeance item.
[X] [SHOPPING] Marksdwarf pistol

Guys, please, can we have this?

Burning Vengeance item will let us initiate bloody feuds between various skaven and greenskin chieftains - all we need os a pair of names, and that can be easily obtained by either evesdropping or prisoner capture and interrogation - you don't even need high-ranking prisoners, every single mook knows what's the name of the boss around!

That's a strategic weapon in the reclamation effort!

And it's 5 favour if I'm not mistaken, wr can easily spare that much, especially given that next turn we are building the auto-paper-writing tower.

The marksdwarf pistol gives us a bit more of utility at the cost if a bit less than 150 gold, dawongr-applicable.


Please, guys, please!
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We don't speak queekish, we can't interrogate skaven.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Nah, thread discussion around previous vote was "snake juice now", and argument against it was "we will do it as soon as we get research tower because it's literally demonic blood". The current plan barely won against the next plan, because next plan had snake juice.
If we now do not do research tower, people in thread are going to feel lied to - because they will, in fact, have been lied to.

That's more important than any mechanics, in my eyes.
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I promised nothing.
SuperSonicSound said:
I counter with no, I've made repeated promises I'm not going to break them for a single extra free action on papers. Hell even if the bonus was a lot better than that I wouldn't do it. I gave my word.
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You are not a politician beholden to his constituents.
Quest said:
The reason people are going for Snakejuice isn't because of efficiency, it's political. Those who argued against SnekJuice last few turns promised to vote for it this time and we won't go against that now. You might have a better chance to argue that a single extra action early is worth losing the bonus or some other way, but Snek-juice is happening this turn and the research tower is basically synonymous with that now.
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Yes, but that's because of a bugbear in people's heads connecting the two when they don't need to be. A +5 or a +10 on the Snake research roll for one turn is not the equal of a free, seventh action.
 
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Guile said:
I promised nothing.

You are not a politician beholden to his constituents.

Yes, but that's because of a bugbear in people's heads connecting the two when they don't need to be. A +5 or a +10 on the Snake research roll for one turn is not the equal of a free, seventh action.
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You, personally, didn't, but more or less half the thread trusted the winning plan's voters' arguments that we need tower of neutrality to research demonic blood and were convinced by specifically that.
You, personally, not caring a zilch about respecting the trust they put there is your call.


And besides, it's not like we will not get +1 action next turn anyway - the consensus seems to be that Serenity should be the second tower.
 
BoneyM said:
Probably a higher armour save. I haven't built him in the tabletop system yet, but he's literally off the charts in the RPG and has something like almost twice the armour value of a full suit of gromril.
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Wait really? What version of the gilded ritual is he even using? or is it due to a mix of Arcane marks and gilded ritual still seems kind of crazy.
 
Guile said:
That loses us a paper writing action, which loses us a magical item on the level of the Torc.

I counter with: Snakejuice is an ongoing action sink, start this turn using the general lab to study it while we simultaneously build our College Favor Factory, then progress to Tower of Neutrality next 6-month turn.
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You implicitly assume there are infinite subjects for Mathilde to write papers about. I doubt that.

Snakejuice is almost certainly going to be researched in the upcoming turn, tower or no tower. Best to have the research tower for it.
 
Also it's not like the tower of neutrality is only going to be used for snake juice research. It gives us a bonus to anything we study. The effect is more pronounced if the thing being studied is magical but we will get a bonus on anything we can haul up to the tower and study.

Our job is to study strange things. This tower will give us a lot of bonus to making sure our job is done well.
 
Guile said:
Then I guess I said my piece and that's the end of it.

EDIT: Or rather, it will be once I vote for getting free actions all day erry day, throwing my vote into the deep, dark well like a wishing stone
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The day will come, it'll probably just be a half-year later.

Now for my part, I hope people stop ignoring the tertiary votes and a majority expresses a opinion, any opinion.
The structure for purchases- runes, libraries, enchantment etc- isn't working well.
BoneyM said:
he's literally off the charts in the RPG
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Huh. Even with the cap at 5 Armour listed on Rigidity of Body and Mind in RoS?
" You gain the equivalent of one Armour Point in all locations (cumulative with other armour to a maximum of 5 APs) "
 
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[X] [SPIDER] They are military assets and thus the responsibility of Dreng.
[X] [SPIDER] They are the very definition of 'miscellaneous weirdness' and thus the responsibility of the Court Wizard.
[X] [KRAGG] Hit Hard
[X] Tower of Utter Neutrality - with rune and material and a great deal of care, make your Tower completely magically neutral. Large bonus to studying anything magical, small bonus to studying everything else from higher Magesight contrast. 250gc, 5 Dwarf favours.
 
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