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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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You get one turn grace period to find a new organization/minion and after that you're paying a full action and the other half is wasted. If you try to exploit this the grace period disappears.
Oh. Letting them run free doesn't let you recoup the action sink of managing them. Give them the boot or give them work.
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I forgot to mention it myself, @Briefvoice, but I agree with this. The thievery vote could help collect research material for Johann or deny Clan Mors some of their harder-to-replace wargear, but the mayhem vote is going to be doing the kind of damage that is easy for them to recover from with very little alternative upside.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Damn, what I was hoping for was practical, theory-free instructions like "Grab here with ulgu, twist, release, then watch the magic happen."
And there seems to be no way to have learned these without violating Article 7, so we'd be doubly screwed.
I have to say, Your plan looks pretty good. I only have one issue with it (sorry if this was brought up before, the discussion is just too long). Why do we spend 3 actions on communications with the We? I'd understand one redundancy, like getting the translation item and teaching them semaphore, but three language options (item, reiksspiel and semaphore) seems excessive. Instead we could just have Maximilian study some smithing, or write a paper or so
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Without violating Article 7 any more than we've already done, you mean?
Agreed. I also quite like the plan, barring the EIC to Empires interests action.
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Hm...don't suppose we could make it so that it's actual work? As opposed to trying to make things work around Johann for example, have him do his little investigation, but with us? Like this action:
-[ ] You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Go down there and see what you can acquire.
turning this
-[ ][Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
into actual work, maybe even with better results from working together?
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
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I like the plan, although I will approval-vote for Wolf when the time comes.
Mainly targets of opportunity/helping the We move in. But now that you mention it, I see the argument for "rob them blind" as it would make them more inclined to blame other skaven and increase the fighting.
On reflection, I agree on switching to the thievery vote. Makes a much nicer synergy with Johann.
Just write in [help Johann poke Clan Mors]
Guile
Having a really great time right now
There is the argument that stealing from Mors isn't as valuable as robbing Skryre. Mors doesn't have any fancy warptech, so we'd be looting old dwarf armor and weapons- if we're lucky. I wouldn't expect World's Edge Armor every time we hit the pinata though, and I have my doubts about anything else we could steal being worth it.
What we're hurting for is guns, and I dunno if Mors can deliver.
What we're hurting for is guns, and I dunno if Mors can deliver.
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[] Help Johann poke Clan Mors, acquiring anything interesting on the way
Would that work, or too minmaxy as she'd do that anyway?
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It's only two actions spent (well, one and a half, since we have one personal action and half of our management action); the translation item is free. There's also only one of the translation item; it works for formal negotiations, but not for, like, if the spiders come into contact with dwarven armed forces and need to be told to about face, or if they want to warn us about Skaven approaching, or something.
The reason for both Reikspiel and semaphore is so that we have redundancy in case one fails; teaching a hive mind that has only recently realized that other beings can be sapient something as abstract as language seems really hard, so I don't think we should count on getting it in one attempt. Max is a good teacher thanks to one of his spells, but it still seems better to spend this turn solving the problem once and for all with high likelihood rather than risking needing to come back to this later.
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Their guns are never, ever going to be used by Dwarves, we have the place where Mors is already scouted and potential actions working with it, and don't have the place where Skryre is scouted anyway.
You can word it that way if you want, but there's no scenario where Mathilde goes 'ooh, an intact and unguarded ratling gun, such a shame my turn orders don't explicitly mention thievery, oh well'.
Lazurman
This is fine.
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Journeyman Maximilian de Gaynesford, Gold Wizard
[X] Current Task: Teach the We written Reikspiel.
Magister Johann, Gold Wizard
[X] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Skryre.
The Eastern Imperial Company
[X] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
Current Task: Investigate the Chiselwards spiders.
[X] Teach the We written Khazalid.
[X] Deliver King Belegar's request to the College for a translation item (does not cost an action).
[X] Help the We establish their new nest below Karag Lhune.
Karak Eight Peaks, friendly:
[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
Karak Eight Peaks, hostile:
[X] Investigate underneath Karag Lhune: the Lhune Deeps and the Grand Abyss.
Research:
[X] Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp. Current accumulation: 12 gallons.
Karag Nar Penthouse
[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
Personal Relations: each turn, you get ONE free choice in this category. Additional selections cost actions.
[X] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
Ranald's Coin
[X] The Gambler: Help the We establish their new nest below Karag Lhune.
Not feeling a line by line vote dissection tonight. Five actions, yes, but I really wanna get started on that fucking snake juice.
[X] Current Task: Teach the We written Reikspiel.
Magister Johann, Gold Wizard
[X] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Skryre.
The Eastern Imperial Company
[X] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
Current Task: Investigate the Chiselwards spiders.
[X] Teach the We written Khazalid.
[X] Deliver King Belegar's request to the College for a translation item (does not cost an action).
[X] Help the We establish their new nest below Karag Lhune.
Karak Eight Peaks, friendly:
[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
Karak Eight Peaks, hostile:
[X] Investigate underneath Karag Lhune: the Lhune Deeps and the Grand Abyss.
Research:
[X] Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp. Current accumulation: 12 gallons.
Karag Nar Penthouse
[X] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
Personal Relations: each turn, you get ONE free choice in this category. Additional selections cost actions.
[X] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
Ranald's Coin
[X] The Gambler: Help the We establish their new nest below Karag Lhune.
Not feeling a line by line vote dissection tonight. Five actions, yes, but I really wanna get started on that fucking snake juice.
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Guys, we really should be helping Gunnar right now. This is a one turn only opportunity to get to know our fellow councilor by showing off our expertise, while also getting an in for later greatsword training and possibly soul lore later.
[] Plan Mors, Gunnars and Ranald
-[][MAX] Current Task: Have Maximilian investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
-[][JOHANN] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors
-[][EIC] Instil corporate policy: long-term financial good of the Empire.
-[][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
-[] Deliver King Belegar's request to the College for a translation item (does not cost an action).
-[] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
-[] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel.
-[] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
-[] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnars
This is going to be my ideal plan. We have three actions focused on sorting out the spider situation which is more than enough; we have Max working out the properties of spiders web which is beneficial for both military purposes and financial as food >> spiders >> silk beats out a thousand mile journey surrounded by enemies then back again tremendously, it has us help establish their new nest in a safe location with easy access to a food source while freeing up the Chiselwards for dwarves, and it has Mathilde teach the We Dwarven semaphore as it's a language that seems much more suited for a spiders physiology and Mathilde already has an understanding of them, while following it up with the commission of an translation item. As I've previously stated, while Mathilde asking would be easier, I feel that the benefit the College would receive from having a Dwarven King commission an item from the College of Magic more than outweighs it.
As others have mentioned, letting Johann have a pop at Clan Mors is likely to synergy with the We moving below the citadel so I'm all for that. Mors tends to have higher quality equipment, and as shown some even possess Gromril, so it's more than worthwhile and he should be more than prepared for it given he's a Magister who's prepared for this for years.
I've chosen the EIC Instill Policy action for the Empire as the primary cause of concern really, given Mathilde was tempted to disband it due to it. The Dwarven option while needed, I feel is not as urgent. This really isn't a hard option for me though, so if enough prefer the other I'd more than switch.
The Penthouse has a tower built, and with the clarification that the bonuses that we receive from whatever we put into it are only received the turn after I've delayed the Wisdom Asp action until then.
I have two social actions in this plan, one is spending time with our familiar and the other is utilizing the great opportunity given this update (and likely inspired by discussion before it) to interact more with Gunnars given we now have Morrite Lore Advanced. The first helps develop the bond with our familiar more which can lead to new abilities, or less magically just have our wolf develop new skills as he'd be of aid in tracking. The second builds relations with another counciler, a user of a great sword for training for our new weapon and so we can hopefully have a trait by then, and perhaps an exchange of soul lore if we roll well enough.
The final action is spent establishing our shrine while we're still early into the settlement, so it can start to influence the culture while it's still developing and notably without any crime (with the exception of passionate crimes I imagine), and at the same time take advantage of our crazy roll where six thousand people wink wink nudge nudge participated in a Ranald ceremony.
-[][MAX] Current Task: Have Maximilian investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
-[][JOHANN] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors
-[][EIC] Instil corporate policy: long-term financial good of the Empire.
-[][PENTHOUSE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[][SOCIAL] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
-[] Deliver King Belegar's request to the College for a translation item (does not cost an action).
-[] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
-[] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel.
-[] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
-[] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnars
This is going to be my ideal plan. We have three actions focused on sorting out the spider situation which is more than enough; we have Max working out the properties of spiders web which is beneficial for both military purposes and financial as food >> spiders >> silk beats out a thousand mile journey surrounded by enemies then back again tremendously, it has us help establish their new nest in a safe location with easy access to a food source while freeing up the Chiselwards for dwarves, and it has Mathilde teach the We Dwarven semaphore as it's a language that seems much more suited for a spiders physiology and Mathilde already has an understanding of them, while following it up with the commission of an translation item. As I've previously stated, while Mathilde asking would be easier, I feel that the benefit the College would receive from having a Dwarven King commission an item from the College of Magic more than outweighs it.
As others have mentioned, letting Johann have a pop at Clan Mors is likely to synergy with the We moving below the citadel so I'm all for that. Mors tends to have higher quality equipment, and as shown some even possess Gromril, so it's more than worthwhile and he should be more than prepared for it given he's a Magister who's prepared for this for years.
I've chosen the EIC Instill Policy action for the Empire as the primary cause of concern really, given Mathilde was tempted to disband it due to it. The Dwarven option while needed, I feel is not as urgent. This really isn't a hard option for me though, so if enough prefer the other I'd more than switch.
The Penthouse has a tower built, and with the clarification that the bonuses that we receive from whatever we put into it are only received the turn after I've delayed the Wisdom Asp action until then.
I have two social actions in this plan, one is spending time with our familiar and the other is utilizing the great opportunity given this update (and likely inspired by discussion before it) to interact more with Gunnars given we now have Morrite Lore Advanced. The first helps develop the bond with our familiar more which can lead to new abilities, or less magically just have our wolf develop new skills as he'd be of aid in tracking. The second builds relations with another counciler, a user of a great sword for training for our new weapon and so we can hopefully have a trait by then, and perhaps an exchange of soul lore if we roll well enough.
The final action is spent establishing our shrine while we're still early into the settlement, so it can start to influence the culture while it's still developing and notably without any crime (with the exception of passionate crimes I imagine), and at the same time take advantage of our crazy roll where six thousand people wink wink nudge nudge participated in a Ranald ceremony.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
And my doubts that there's anything worth stealing? Apparently they do poison, but mostly what they use is blades, which we have plenty of.
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I really hope that after Mathilde recites a bunch of obscure Morrite lore, Gunnar turns to us straight faced and asks if we got possessed by Morr too.
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This is a really good plan and I will approval vote for it.
Any thoughts on using Max to teach Reikspiel instead for redundancy in case semaphore fails?
[] Not Plan TNE
-[ ] Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (choose which from 'Publish or Perish')
--[ ] Write a paper on the Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition.
-[ ] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
-[ ] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
-[ ] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
-[ ] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
-[ ] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel.
--[] Gambler bonus
-[ ] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
-[ ] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnar, human burial rites.
-[ ] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[ ] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
-[ ] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
Ordinarily I'd leave well enough alone but given the tower will be finished next turn I want to hold off on the snekjuice until we can get that sweet bonus next turn.
-[ ] Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (choose which from 'Publish or Perish')
--[ ] Write a paper on the Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition.
-[ ] Current Task: Have Johann investigate the properties of the spiders' webs.
-[ ] Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves.
-[ ] Teach the We Dwarven semaphore.
-[ ] Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour).
-[ ] Help the We establish their new nest below the Citadel.
--[] Gambler bonus
-[ ] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
-[ ] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: Gunnar, human burial rites.
-[ ] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[ ] Wolf is now fully grown, and is a very large dog or a regular-sized wolf. Train him. (increases his intelligence, may deepen Familiar bond)
-[ ] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
Ordinarily I'd leave well enough alone but given the tower will be finished next turn I want to hold off on the snekjuice until we can get that sweet bonus next turn.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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TRAAAAAAAAAAAAIN! TRAIN YAY!
*freaks out about trains being referenced*
Sad about it being too expensive but its funny that the Dwarves brought up the idea of "lets build a super minecart before we ever trust a draft animal and cart".
I love how it flavors Belegar's competence that he knows these little facts about his fellow holds. Makes things more punchy.
Eeeee I love this imagery of an army of guns firing onto a terrible beastie while gyrocopter's sortie through the gun smoke. Yes please.
Well that seems like a perfect reason to make friends with him and actually get to know him. Plus I'm curious where he got Morrite lore from. Seems kinda well traveled if he has.
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This will continue Belebro, just try and breathe through it.
Huh, just a bit younger than Kragg the Grim. I think he'd be finishing his apprenticeship right about then.
*haaaapppy dance*
Its great seeing Kragg being Grumpy on Main like Omegahugger is Shipping on Main.
This is especially notable because when the Dwarves level a Grudge against an organization it smacks all its members. In this case that's Anton, Wilhelmina and us most prominently, then a large portion of the working class of Stirland.
Reaaaaaaaallly good idea to pre-empt this, because frankly humans lie all the time see Mathilde and uh that is not good in business with the Dwarves.
I know I am sick of waiting and I haven't been here since the start like some folks.
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It's the stolen Dwarf stuff they have that's useful. We found that suit of gromril laying out in the open at their butcher, and that was on a scouting mission. Now we'd be actually searching for it.