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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] TotallyNotEvil

Don't have the time to follow the latest votes and discussions, but TNE's reasoning is extremely solid. Either get the best sword we can buy, or don't get it at all.
 
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[x] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[x] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[x] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

Integration... I don't think that's going to work out.

[x] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

Looks like the best for the job.

[x] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

Worthy commemoration is a nice idea but I don't feel comfortable having Mathilde weigh in on it.

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

Most of these books will come in handy. The others are about Skaven and demons and goblins and things, but maybe someone's interested in reading that.

[x] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

While it's a good thing to be pro-active about anticipating future orders, there's a decent chance Belegar will want to simply give the spooders their eviction notice.


EDIT: forgot to include this.

[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword

TotallyNotEvil's post sounds good to me.

Given the general trend of Mathilde's behaviour through the quest, it'll come in handy quite often, though I think the Kragg master rune stuff is counting your Cold Ones before they hatch.

As I see it, a fancy runic sword would make Mathilde better at Mathilding. The sword is an often-used tool in her collection, but I'm not too worried about it taking over the quest. As for 'she'll never put it to proper use', unless there's a major seachange in voting habits, there's no way it'd wind up collecting dust.

For 'earning' it, by having the favour to spend, she's already done that. And it's not like there won't be more adventures in future.
 
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At least exclude the romance novels we can't even read!
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
 
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
 
Thank you @Reliable_2IC, @Dracikral, and @Mopman43. I'll be changing my vote then.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight

ok, someone convinced me about this one. plus, 100% on board with more female characters.

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

This is a dwarf matter, so we shouldn't way in. If a grudge develops because we use it for something, we can work it out like civilized people.

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.

edit: changed my mind on the books, the cost is low enough I'm willing to.

[X] [RUNE] Ranger's Greatsword
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword

Look, as I see it, we have a pretty useful (and fairly unique) opportunity here, even without the armor turning into it(which I would love to see, mind you). Also, as I see it, it is an investment in not seeing Mathilde dead. I like investments in not dying. I like Mathilde alive. She is going to get into combat situations, and I do not want to be caught off guard if we can help it. I would love to play a quest where we curl up in a library/tower and never see combat again, but that is NOT how this quest has gone. we are in an active war zone after all.

[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

[ ] [ENCHANTMENT] Items of Inspiration, Trial and Error, and Law of Logic (eight favours)
I really, really like this idea; buffs to research and such is good. however, @Mopman43 raised a very concerning point that they are enchantments of another wind, and ones that effect us directly (unlike the ring we are giving away). I would want to know if it would safely work before spending it.

As for something to talk to the We: Belegar may still need to kick them out, no need to jump the gun on this one. The Ambers will be here long enough to get something if the spiders are going to stay. I suspect the spiders alone being here will keep the ambers here.

Edit: added in Armor option for worthy commendation, because I decided I'm ok with that too
 
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I think we should buy more than Extensive Greenskin magic; Extensive Esoteric would be better. We do intend to go back to the Waaagh topic again and that knowledge would help out a fair bit.
 
racnor said:
At least exclude the romance novels we can't even read!
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Then we can exclude the linguistics ones as well.

I think 550 gold is worth campaigning for a new library vote. Looking at it, that is excessive.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

[ [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons
[] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
 
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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
 
Zaratustra said:
Ok first I recent this because I trying realy hard to not mass tag or just bother eveyone to disgree.
What I am doing is considering the main logic behind the sword purcharse as described above, and questioning people whose votes contradict that logic, because if you didn't notice this thread flies and most people don't read the disscussion, and the change of then missing the conection between sword and gromrill is no smaller than the dozen other things people are getting wrong all the time.

If you have a better option than try to clarify is they are misinformed on actualy based their decison on something else individualy I would love to hear it, because again people miss post all the time around here.
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Resenting it doesn't change the fact that you're doing it. If you'd rolled up to the thread right now, after reading everything, and then quoted or tagged everyone you did to ask a single question about changing their vote, you'd be risking a slap on the wrist for it. It's one thing to engage with people actively participating in a conversation, it's another to come at people out of nowhere with the assumption that they're voting wrong.

Chimeraguard and chocolote12 basically sum up any other thoughts I have on the matter.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
Then we can exclude the linguistics ones as well.

I think 550 gold is worth campaigning for a new library vote. Looking at it, that is excessive.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Daemons.
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I disagree. Maybe if it was more on Skaven and Greenskin magic, but not romance novels.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Daemons.
 
Honestly I look at the library stuff and my eyes are repelled, as if by magic. Or magnets!

I'm not sure it's even such a great idea mechanics-wise. Shouldn't be able to buy dice roll bonuses with money, I feel.
 
I'm imagining the money saving scheme of becoming a prolific romance novelist ourselves.
1: Mathilde writes trashy romance.
2: Mathilde brain whammies the hell out of her own think meats so she can enjoy her own twists and turns without needing to constantly stockpile more and more novels.
3: Mathilde sells her novels worldwide, thus funding our purchases of infinite other books, romance and otherwise.

e: Somehow ulgu copying the whole No Memory Time of being blackout drunk, but retaining the mental/physical capacity needed to sit down and hammer out a book haha.
 
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Andmeuths said:
@spiritualatheist This one is interesting, but I think an 8 Favour Expenditure is something that needs much more discussion/argumentation/justification to gain any traction. Being an investment for better College Favour farming seems to me to be one of the stronger arguments this expenditure could be justified upon, though the how needs to be elaborated
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It's just an old vote that I never bothered changing.
 
With this library purchase we can pull the same stunt the current grey patriarch can do, but only for Slaanesh worshippers
 
I am very much on Team Let's Learn Languages Through Trashy Literature, but I will edit in an approval vote for the less-polyglot version of the library question before bed so that it has a chance to get traction. I am fine not starting our Warhammer-Italian romance novel collection yet.
 
So those books were very helpful but we should probably build a library before we get any more. As for the other choices I don't have a opinion on which human should run the place or on buying an item or an enchantment but I would like to state that the Spiders are safe so long as we can talk to them and they have food but you would need to create a way to feed and talk to them if you kill off their current ork feed source. A enchanted Item could be commissionsed if needed

Right now the only choice I know for sure is return the armor it's the only real choice

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

I want to convert them to worshipping Ranald.
 
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