I disagree. It won't be the original suit, so it won't be returning the original treasure.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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They have more runepreists than normal, but how many ranger-runepriests do they have. Probably literally zero, as Runepriests are that valuable and specialised. There's also clan issues, as Runepriests aren't from warrior clans, they're from the runepriest clan, so generally wouldn't have the right training.
Remember that Belegar is also a symbol of a break with the past and old ways of doing things. Also, remember if Mathilde gets a weapon, so multiple other people will as well. The symbolism of:
"Belegar gives all the groups, including the new holds, that substantially helped with the reconquest a weapon worthy of their heroic stature among dwarfkind,"
Is quite different to what you suggest
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Even if all of this is true... we're still the court mage, in a role that presumably doesn't usually involve sneaky stuff for dwarves. Will we end up helping out that area anyway? Almost certainly. Will we end up helping out in that area most of the time, or even that often? I doubt it- most stealth-based threats are likely to be more mundane and counterable by rangers, etc.
Regardless, agree to disagree?
I would call a 10 pound sword oversized, personally; when the quest and Warhammer in general says greatsword I'm assuming they actually mean a longsword, or a more standard two-handed sword.
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
Sure, but that doesn't cost Favour.
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And what you think of
"Belegar reforges the first gromril found into might weapons to mark this great deed into history " ?
Because reforgin is going to result in more than just our sword.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
It's a sign of the future, and the newly rekindled spirit to stand up and fight for what's theirs.
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Yeah, this works perfectly, we probably don't even need all the gromril, even in greatsword form.
So we ask for a legendary item, they have a pile of Gromril they are melting anyway, it's a matter of pride that at least some goes to the sword.
I would not be surprised if the rest also go to weapons, Dwarfs are to practical to leave it as a paperweight when a masterwork tool is the best reminder of glory.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
We've had it confirmed that this would be a hand and a half sword, so much more like what we call a longsword outside games.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
We've had it confirmed that this would be a hand and a half sword, so much more like what we call a longsword outside games.
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
I really think this whole Spider thing could be the start of something beautiful. Seeing the Dwarf-Man-Halfling alliance grow and incorporate even something as alien as a Giant Spider Hivemind... It fills me with determination and hope for the future.
Aaaand now I am imagining Giant Spider!Sigmar saving Thorgrimms life in a battle. I clearly need to go to sleep.
Aaaand now I am imagining Giant Spider!Sigmar saving Thorgrimms life in a battle. I clearly need to go to sleep.
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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] An item enchanted with Talk With Beast to give to the spiders (3 favors)
Okay, I agree with all of this.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] An item enchanted with Talk With Beast to give to the spiders (3 favors)
Okay, I agree with all of this.
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Folks, melting the armor for a symbol of victory is the one shot we got to making the sword gromril.
To answer to all three, the option of making a symbol of victory, by itself, is a worthwhile option.
"Melting down the past to make a symbol of a brighter future" is essentially Belegar's thing.
The importance of morale, of immortalizing go the legend of the Expedition in the form of gromril items plays perfectly with his entire platform.
And that's not saying that we might be voting to give the armor back to a hold that's already firmly within K8P's camp.
And who said it'd be used exclusively on Matty's sword?
Having heroes to inspire and embolden the people is absolutely crucial for keeping K8P, and its message, going.
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Isn't that literally the weapon of a God?
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It already isn't the original suit, you missed how it was remade to fit the skaven and would have to remade again anyway if anyone else would want anything with it, is not more of a treasure than any other mass of gromril right now.
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Et Sic Incipit
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Zweihänder - Wikipedia
Even with Warhammer Fantasy modifications such as RUNEZ and such added, I doubt a Greatsword would be double the weight of an IRL Zweihander, which is the IRL equivalent.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
If that's Gotrek Gurnison then it is indeed one of Grimnirs Axes.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
I don't think so? I think that's just the standard Dwarf Slayer weapon.
EDIT: I don't know, then. It's just the picture on the Dwarf Slayer wiki page.
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Awesome, now could you please also vote for this ? It is important for the sword vote to have the metal.
[] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
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Wait a minute. Did we actually say a word to Anton, or did we just silently spy on him for a few days and vanish home?
And by the way, how believable is "my magesight is really amazing now, let me prove it! That's how I found that weak point in the undead army's animation spell"!
The Round Table was actually French though. It was first written about by "Wace" in Normandy in the early 1100s, AFAIK, and was then expanded upon by a bunch of writers who happened to be mostly French too. The first legends of King Arthur were probably written by a priest named Geoffrey who lived in the UK in the late 1000s, but most of the legends of the knights of the round table that we know today were French knightly stories and/or fanfiction of those stories written to flatter or educate various rich nobles (depending on the story).
It just eventually fell out of fashion in France, and stayed in fashion in England (which was ruled by the Normans in the 1100s after they invaded from the Normandy region of France in 1066, by the way, which makes the "how French are those myths" question weird seeing as a French duke had just conquered England and replaced a bunch of the literate nobility who were the target audience and main propagators of these stories).
And if you really care about historical trivia, various historians have argued (sorry, link is in French) the "Geoffrey VS Wace" thing for centuries now. Who exactly wrote what, who stole what from who, who actually existed and what is apocryphal...
Most of the myths of the more famous individual Knights can be traced back to individual writers, and those also tend to be French. For example the tales of Lancelot and Galahad were written in France, by French people and for the French nobility of the time.
And by the way, how believable is "my magesight is really amazing now, let me prove it! That's how I found that weak point in the undead army's animation spell"!
Time to nitpick!
The Round Table was actually French though. It was first written about by "Wace" in Normandy in the early 1100s, AFAIK, and was then expanded upon by a bunch of writers who happened to be mostly French too. The first legends of King Arthur were probably written by a priest named Geoffrey who lived in the UK in the late 1000s, but most of the legends of the knights of the round table that we know today were French knightly stories and/or fanfiction of those stories written to flatter or educate various rich nobles (depending on the story).
It just eventually fell out of fashion in France, and stayed in fashion in England (which was ruled by the Normans in the 1100s after they invaded from the Normandy region of France in 1066, by the way, which makes the "how French are those myths" question weird seeing as a French duke had just conquered England and replaced a bunch of the literate nobility who were the target audience and main propagators of these stories).
And if you really care about historical trivia, various historians have argued (sorry, link is in French) the "Geoffrey VS Wace" thing for centuries now. Who exactly wrote what, who stole what from who, who actually existed and what is apocryphal...
Most of the myths of the more famous individual Knights can be traced back to individual writers, and those also tend to be French. For example the tales of Lancelot and Galahad were written in France, by French people and for the French nobility of the time.
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I mean, that's a supposition that people in this thread have made, but even so, I don't want our liege to alienate dwarf conservatives more than he already has by making the High King look like an idiot to his face. Speaking as someone whose ancestral homeland was conquered and then looted: getting your shit back in the form it was when you lost it is deeply important. I just don't believe in the principle of "finders keepers" when it comes to this sort of thing, or even the right of Belegar to make the decision of "to what use would this be best put". If we repatriate it, and that dwarfhold asks us what to do with it? Sure, awesome, turn it into weapons. But that's their call to make, not ours.
...and since I noticed myself starting to get heated there, I am going to bow out of this discussion. Maybe the dice will be kind to us and it will turn out the armor is from an extinct hold and therefore finders keepers does apply here!
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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We are the first dwarven court mage ever. There is no 'usually' to work with, no expectation to fall upon. During the campaing, Belegars orders to us amounted to 'I have no fucking idea how to use mages, and you are a master, so, tell me, how do I deploy you?'.
Our answer was that a shadow mage is best used as a scout and and an assasin.
So yes, based on established precedent, sneaking is very traditional for dwarven court wizards.
