Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Ah yes, but everyone who failed was weak and unworthy, unlike myself, who is strong and destined for greatness and couldn't possible share in such an awful fate —average chaos worshiper, probably.
I got dragged off university grounds by security for shouting this at the culinary arts students.
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- somewhere over there.
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- They/It
I mean yeah, it's chaos. From an outside perspective it's never worth it. In setting though, when you've been raised in the religion? "Become one with the greater whole of your deity and serve them eternal" is a pretty reasonable afterlife. Especially if you're sure the Four conquering the world is inevitable. Might as well try and stay on their good side, right?
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- Greece
Ah, apologies, I wasn't actually trying to propose it as a solution to this quest, I was just brainstorming because I found the conundrum interesting and it was the subject of discussion, I apologize for not being clear enough and causing extra headaches.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
If you aren't good enough to get where you're hoping to go, who cares?
The Norscans believe that the Black Dragon of Chaos will reincarnate you if you die without glory, and to them that is a punishment and not a hope. Who's to say that their Valhalla isn't worthy?
The theology of Chaos is fascinating, if you're willing to give it a chance as anything other an opportunity to recite dogma about their inevitable failure and dissolution.
infinityDivided
Prince Of Doom
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- USA
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
The Tome of Corruption isn't the best book, but it tries its best and has its moments.
If you can't appreciate Chaos as it presents itself, how can you hope to present it to others?
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- He/Him
I mean, the idea of becoming one with the cosmos, or with a God one is devoted to, is hardly something never found in real world religions. The idea that becoming one with a Chaos God is a good thing is pretty distasteful to me personally, but that doesn't mean it necessarily would be to their devout followers.
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- Aotearoa
At least now we know who to redirect the Witch Hunter towards, after the Gretel social.
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- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
I think sometimes, if not most of the time, you should put your enjoyment as a writer first.
No matter how much your readers might enjoy something, if you as the writer don't, it won't get written.
infinityDivided
Prince Of Doom
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- USA
I've seen how Chaos presents itself. I ain't impressed.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
Yet again, the temptation to take a few personal actions to learn Arcane Khazalid and High Nehekharan rears its head, and cries of 'lets try to reverse-engineer what the Old One language was like!' can be heard in the distance.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
People who type stuff like that aren't even willing to engage with them as antagonists.
It's all well and fine to hate the away team, but if you want to play the game then someone has to run them, you know?
Heroes are measured by the quality of their enemies.
I flipped my opinion on them... somewhere before the ten thousandth page mark, I think. Mutations aren't game ending, and daemons aren't a thought killing Morton's Fork that gets you either way you jump.
That means it's okay for them to appear, and to menace the player.
Did you know that the colleges often conceal inconspicuous mutations? Arcane Marks might not be mutations themselves, but you have to wonder if the Battle Wizard whose flesh crackles with lightning is merely graced by Azyr, or if they're even truly human anymore. Wizards take care of their own.
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- Australia
Arcane Khazalid is pointless since we aren't a runesmith and can't apply it directly, and it's a secret language so we can't write any papers about it. High Nehekharan would be worthwhile for doing necromancy and studying Vlad's notes.
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- She/Her
the tome of curroption is useful for expanding on chaos worshipping norscan tribes. Its actively harmfully racist when talking about any of the groups further east sadly.
None of those things have anything to do with the stated idea of reverse engineering the old ones language. My opinion on that is that I think we need more than just a few descended languages to do that, but if we ever got a good starting point I would love to try.
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- California, USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
"Chaos sucks donkey balls, end of" is all well and good. But anyone who interacts with it as anything other than a distant and theoretical enemy, has to be willing to be thoughtful about their argument and position. To better fight against it, to understand both our enemies who believe and those who might be tempted. And yes, to not reduce what is maybe the big bad of the setting to our next Saturday morning cartoon villain the Four Stooges.
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- Australia
What's the point of doing that? If it was so bothersome for elves to cast with that they used Anoqeyan instead, why would it be any different for us? And we wouldn't be able to write any papers on the Old Ones language if we used Arcane Khazalid to help us understand it.
Iiirc, with Arcane Khazalid, Anoqenyan and High Nekeharan we can try. There's also the ogres language which is a direct descendant and we can take College clasxes to learn.
Personally I disagree, we won't really know if there's something we can apply or not (kind of like the Liber Mortis), for all we know it could lead us to deduce how the Rune of the Unknown works so our sword can appear and dissapear as we will it. And the worst that can happen is that we learn it and we're one step closer to being able to try to recreate the Old Ones language.
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- Australia
Deducing how the Rune of the Unknown works is pointless because knowledge wouldn't change its function or let us replicate it, and impossible because we need runesmith knowledge to understand its mechanism, not just language. Recreating the Old Ones language is pointless for the reasons I stated just before your post.
Come on, what is with this perennial staunch refusal among several people to provide actual reasons behind these goals. Not even base curiosity is being supplied, just straight up invalid or non-existent things.
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Chaos sucks donkey balls, but understanding it anyways is useful.
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I think any push to learn Arcane Khazalid / Anoqeyan / Grumbarth can really wait until Mathilde has put in the hours to learn High Nehekharan. We have several non-Old One Tongue reasons to learn that one, making it very obviously the first step for anyone wanting to go further.
If support can't be mustered to learn even Nehekharan, and so far it's kinda wishy-washy, there's no chance of diving further into the linguistic morass (as much as I really do want to see the Polyglot trait put to work in actually learning a language, rather than flavouring Mathilde's interactions with languages like it has so far).
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On another only barely related note, now that the Morbening is finished and AV is once again available for other tasks, one thing that came up ages ago that we never followed up on was the possibility of leveraging Mathilde's Runesmith Favour (via AV) into getting the Guild to open up formal trade with the Grey College, allowing Wizards to engage in the favour economy for themselves or for runic purchases for the Altdorf grounds themselves. It was remarked on as being very possible to do (though the infrastructure upgrades were 'tricky' given the magical saturation). It may or may not still be possible with favour alone, as the favour/reputation systems have gone through several changes since then, but if it's not we do also have the Bok Boon available to cash in.
Seems like something Mathilde might still be interested in establishing, speaking as it does to the core goals of her own interdisciplinary branch.
If support can't be mustered to learn even Nehekharan, and so far it's kinda wishy-washy, there's no chance of diving further into the linguistic morass (as much as I really do want to see the Polyglot trait put to work in actually learning a language, rather than flavouring Mathilde's interactions with languages like it has so far).
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On another only barely related note, now that the Morbening is finished and AV is once again available for other tasks, one thing that came up ages ago that we never followed up on was the possibility of leveraging Mathilde's Runesmith Favour (via AV) into getting the Guild to open up formal trade with the Grey College, allowing Wizards to engage in the favour economy for themselves or for runic purchases for the Altdorf grounds themselves. It was remarked on as being very possible to do (though the infrastructure upgrades were 'tricky' given the magical saturation). It may or may not still be possible with favour alone, as the favour/reputation systems have gone through several changes since then, but if it's not we do also have the Bok Boon available to cash in.
Seems like something Mathilde might still be interested in establishing, speaking as it does to the core goals of her own interdisciplinary branch.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
I mean, either you become a Daemon Prince, or you die trying. Like, mortals who ascend to Daemonhood are Daemon Princes by definition. There are certainly terrible fates that can befall you along the path to Daemonhood, but becoming a regular, non-Prince Daemon isn't one of them.
infinityDivided
Prince Of Doom
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- USA
Given that Thorek is/was planning on taking a hammer to the Ruinsmith Guild and we gave him the ammo to do so, maybe we should hold off on planning anything significant with the Runesmiths for a bit.