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Good point, I changed it to "Moderate", but I'm really not sure. The real question is whether expensive materials might end up becoming a bottleneck or whether it's just a matter of "more money". If it's just a matter of money then I think for something this important the money can be found no matter the cost, but "Moderate" is a safe choice.
Another problem with expensive material is that greedy idiots might try and steal something. You'd think that'd be stupid and no one would be that dumb but lustrian gold keeps showing up in the old world, so clearly there's idiots who take what they REALLY shouldn't take because it's shiny.
 
@Boney

1. How many high mages willing to enchant are there?

I was thinking only a few and they're basically doing at a steep friends discount but others have it made sounds like there are dozens out there. So are there just a few or are there so many that a bottleneck on the capstone is very unlikely?


2. How many elves in Laurelorn are there that can currently (or at least quickly learn to) enchant the grey lord foundation compared to the Collegiate foundation?

e.g. Roughly equal amounts of people for both?
Ten times as many are capable of the Collegiate enchantment compared to the grey lord enchantment?

I'd imagine that elves specialize at least a bit on a preferred wind so it's hard to guess what their capacity for enchanting each possibility happens to be and which one is actually higher or by how much.
 
I'm calling it a night, so there will be no more updates to my compendium before the vote opens. Hopefully, it's helpful for at-a-glance comparisons; here's the link one more time.

Of these options, I think these are my personal favorites:
[] Plan Building A Better Future
-[] [CAPSTONE] Stone Flower
-[] [RUNE] Dwarven
-[] [STORAGE] [Expensive] Runed
-[] [FOUNDATION] Grey Lord
-[] [TRANSMISSION] Both (Jade Riverine)
[] Plan Simple and Functional
-[ ] [CAPSTONE] Stone Flower (simple)
-[ ] [RUNE] Dwarven (simple)
-[ ] [STORAGE] [Moderate] Runed (simple)
-[ ] [FOUNDATION] Grey Lord (moderately difficult)
-[ ] [TRANSMISSION] Leyline (simple)
So I'll probably vote for them after I get up and catch up with the thread unless something else comes up that I like more. I've definitely come around to favoring getting a potentially mass-deployable model out this turn, if we can.
 
@Boney

1. How many high mages willing to enchant are there?

I was thinking only a few and they're basically doing at a steep friends discount but others have it made sounds like there are dozens out there. So are there just a few or are there so many that a bottleneck on the capstone is very unlikely?

You might be able to scrape up 20 at a given time from Laurelorn.

2. How many elves in Laurelorn are there that can currently (or at least quickly learn to) enchant the grey lord foundation compared to the Collegiate foundation?

e.g. Roughly equal amounts of people for both?
Ten times as many are capable of the Collegiate enchantment compared to the grey lord enchantment?

I'd imagine that elves specialize at least a bit on a preferred wind so it's hard to guess what their capacity for enchanting each possibility happens to be and which one is actually higher or by how much.

The best guess Mathilde would have access to would be that there'd be more for Collegiate, but not hugely so. For some reason Laurelorn gets squirrely when humans ask them for exact numbers and skill levels of their mages.
 
I wonder how much of a limitation to coverage the "Both" option has for the leyline. Does it NEED both or can it connect only to one when only one is available? (Is it the option that can cover the most or the least?)

Does it require that the Waystone be :

1. Connected to the Waystone Network AND be on the trajectory of a river

2. Connected to the Waystone Network OR be on the trajectory of a river

TLDR : Can the "Both" option for leyline be used if only one is available at first? For example, could one such waystone be installed in Sylvania near a river despite the area not having any Waystone Network reception?
 
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TLDR : Can the "Both" option for leyline be used if only one is available at first? For example, could one such waystone be installed in Sylvania near a river despite the area not having any Waystone Network reception?

If development goes as planned then yeah.

Then there's the possibility of creating a Waystone that can interface with the Waystone Network and a river it is built atop. While this would compound the difficulty, a Waystone connected to the leylines that can fall back upon riverine transmission should they be cut off from the wider network would be an actual, tangible improvement upon the Waystones of the Golden Age, and would make for a very hardy foundation from which the most tainted and hostile lands of the continent could start to be reclaimed.
 
We can just tell the elves how to do this. This cuts out the lights and avoids political issues. Boney approved this.
There's also the political issue of only the light college being able to make them. It's not just about the dhar.

Note that we can have elves cast this, and then the political issues go away. Boney did approve this. Then we have something simple without political issues.
Elves can also cast the grey lord foundation version. It looks like the numbers are similar either way so it seems like it's better to go for the one without political problems.


@picklepikkl
OK, I've driven back through the snowstorm and updated the Little List of Waystone build candidates. If I've missed anything, or categorized your plan wrongly, please @ me.
My probable plan is currently:
[ ] Plan A waystone to build upon
-[ ] [CAPSTONE] Runic Inductor
-[ ] [RUNE] Wizard
-[ ] [STORAGE] [Moderate] Enchanted
-[ ] [FOUNDATION] Grey Lord
-[ ] [TRANSMISSION] Leyline
[ ] Plan Waystones of the future
-[ ] [CAPSTONE] Runic Inductor
-[ ] [RUNE] Wizard
-[ ] [STORAGE] [Moderate] Enchanted
-[ ] [FOUNDATION] Grey Lord
-[ ] [TRANSMISSION] Both (specify which Jade)
 
I think the real question we need to be asking is would it increase or decrease the number of available light wizards if Cython was in charge of them.
 
Here is my thoughts.

[ ] [CAPSTONE] Runic Inductor

In my opinion, the Runic Inductor is the best KISS alternative. All designs are going to produce some amount of dhar, and the leyline network is designed to "eat" dhar.

[ ] [RUNE] Carved

Going ultra cheap here to save money elsewhere, because the rune appears to me to be not that important to overall function. Have a mason carve it for whatever good it does, call it a day.

[ ] [STORAGE] Expensive Material

Here is where I'm going big and spending the money not being spent elsewhere. We pay for material so as to not tie up the time of rare magical personnel. We use expensive material to make sure it can show benefits during big magical surges. (Also this is very dwarven. Spend money rather than blood, or in this case time, whenever you can.)

[ ] [FOUNDATION] Grey Lord

This is genuinely a tough one. I would like so much to use the clockwork alternative, but we're dealing with largely human lands here. We just can't depend on some ruler in 50 years or 100 years making sure springs are wound and clockwork is set. So that leaves us with Grey Lord or Collegiate. The light college based one takes less time but has far fewer people who can do it.

[ ] [TRANSMISSION] Leyline

This fell into our laps. Let's use it.

So.... Let me put some fake numbers to this. These are my numbers, but I think they provide a useful way of looking at this.

Costs:
Negligible = 0
Low = 1
Medium = 2
High = 3

Difficulty
Trivial = 0
Simple = 1
Moderately Difficult = 2
Very Difficult = 3

Costs: 0 + 0 + 3 + 1 + 0 = 4
Difficulty = 1 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 = 4

So this would be a 4/4. Would people care to rate their preferred versions using the same scaling?
 
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How so? It requires a Wizard capable of wielding Hysh. The closest thing to a term for that is Light Wizard.
Maybe "Hysh user" would work better? Since for example, "Jade Wizard" leaves it unclear if it needs a Jade from the Colleges specifically, or if anyone trained in Ghyran can do it. The addition of "Druid" as another group capable of it implies the latter, but "Druid" is also vague in if it means a Jade Magister* specifically, a magic user from the Belthani that fled into the woods when Teclis tried to recruit them, and/or someone from Albion.

* "Magister" meaning any active practitioners of Ghyran associated with the Jade College in this case, rather than just people at the literal rank of Magister.
 
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Wizards who use Hysh are called "Light Wizards". A Light Wizard in the employ of the Colleges is called a "Hierophant".

There, I solved the terminology confusion.
Aha, you've triggered my trap card!

Hierophant is also the term used by the Mortuary Cult! What if, when we say 'Hierophant', we're actually talking about an extremely desiccated Light Wizard?
 
Aha, you've triggered my trap card!

Hierophant is also the term used by the Mortuary Cult! What if, when we say 'Hierophant', we're actually talking about an extremely desiccated Light Wizard?
Well, they'd have to be wielding the Lore of Nehekhara, as a Hierophant in the Mortuary Cult is one responsible for actively animating the armies of the Tomb Kings.

That aside, you could distinguish it by referring to Imperial Wizards wielding Hysh as White Wizards, a term I don't believe anyone else uses.
 
-[ ] [STORAGE] Reverse-engineered
I would like to point out that the reverse-engineered storage is described as "very difficult," which is the same language as choosing to have a waystone which can handle both riverine and leyline transmission.

I'd hazard a guess that the reduction in difficulty/cost will not be large, excepting exceptional good fortune.

Second:
Since we want to deploy at scale, then having one thing that is a fiddly bit that absolutely has to be perfect is a lot better than having two things that are fiddly bits that absolutely have to be perfect.
 
My current preference is:

Stone Flower Capstone/Dwarven Rune/Any Storage/Grey Lord Foundation/ Leyline Transmission

I don't care that much about storage since the whole point is to restore the network so it's not needed. So I'll vote for any plan that incorporates the rest.

The real deal breakers are using masons for the rune (runesmiths and wizards are rare but not that rare), clockwork foundation (No fiddly devices that need to be regularly rewound), and riverine transmission (we can make a second design when we need it).
 
The real deal breakers are using masons for the rune (runesmiths and wizards are rare but not that rare)

Yeah, but it also barely does anything!

using both Anoqeyån resonances and Dwarven artifice to passively reinforce the intended purpose of the Waystone

I read that as, "it makes the magic work a little more efficiently by some X%". If we're looking to cut costs and personnel time somewhere, it looks like an excellent choice to me. I don't think efficiency is very important in something that is going to sit there and continuously function for basically forever because once it gets things to a stable level it'll just be maintaining that level. So what's it worth to get to the stable level 3 weeks faster or whatever?

If it were a "don't bother with the rune at all" option I'd be tempted to do that, but hell we can have a mason do it for pretty much nothing and still get at least some of the effect.
 
I read that as, "it makes the magic work a little more efficiently by some X%"

It depends on what "more efficiently" actually applies to, if it's just throughput then yeah aside from times like storms of magic it wouldn't be incredibly valuable. It seems plausible to me though that it might also help with effective range, which functionally would mean fewer waystones needed total.
 
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