- Location
- Washington
Worth noting that Warhammer in general and Kislev especially doesn't really have "peace time" it's got "Less-War-ish time."
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
Oh wow. I return to a *feast*.
I had this image in my head suddenly, of a little skeleton chibi shaking it's fist at the sky, then pulling out a little scroll and quill and adding to carefully enumerated list of grievances. It was really cute. Nicely evoked.
Yeah, you want the Ur-weapon in this setting, I think you have to go for widowmaker.
It was the representative for the moot that was awarded a gromril blade, right? It's going to be a really nice, understated statement at the next elector's meet.
That's actually a thing I hadn't considered too much: how are the halflings of eightpeaks considered in internal imperial politics? The buying of the moot seems like it was an aspirational move, but the politics and backlash it catalyzed would be the primary occupation of the politically minded halflings since. So the creation of a colony, functionally beyond the reach of the Empire- it's obvious as a move to establish another option for halflings than being loomed over by humans, but does that mean that the moot now has an independent foreign policy? Kinda- bilateral deals with dwarf kings, after all. So what does that change about it's status as compared to the other provinces?
Well, it means that the next time the electors meet, the halflings will have a gromril blade too and it won't be because the humans gave one to them. So maybe the other electors will step a bit more lightly? Idk.
Ok, on to the omake. And, like, seriously: APPLAUSE
These were all great, and I was so happy to have them all posted close to eachother when I was reading.
Oh wow, I can place the exact before (release drop, thread discussion of release, new plans and updates of previous plans, write-in drop) and after (few negative posters holding the initial floor, the consolidation of arguments, the Hardening of the Divide, the opening of voting, the initial mark to market rush, the losing side escalating rhetorically, the narrow squeaker vote, the salt) of this sequence you posted.
I vibe that thread.
This was wonderful characterization of birth the city and the people, and your Ljiljana was a treat. I am 100% behind you on this head canon.
Poignant- this internal monologue is great for how unreliable a narrator he is, with his seeing all the threats coming and being basically right in his evaluation of the situation, contrasted with the way he comes across in the fight with his son. Because the problem is in what he refuses to consider, so of course the internal monologue is going to minimize all those things.
Well done. It doesn't even matter how accurate his self-impression was to reality, it just needed to be convincing to him, and it shows how bad rulers are utterly unaware of it sometimes.
I had this image in my head suddenly, of a little skeleton chibi shaking it's fist at the sky, then pulling out a little scroll and quill and adding to carefully enumerated list of grievances. It was really cute. Nicely evoked.
Yeah, you want the Ur-weapon in this setting, I think you have to go for widowmaker.
It was the representative for the moot that was awarded a gromril blade, right? It's going to be a really nice, understated statement at the next elector's meet.
That's actually a thing I hadn't considered too much: how are the halflings of eightpeaks considered in internal imperial politics? The buying of the moot seems like it was an aspirational move, but the politics and backlash it catalyzed would be the primary occupation of the politically minded halflings since. So the creation of a colony, functionally beyond the reach of the Empire- it's obvious as a move to establish another option for halflings than being loomed over by humans, but does that mean that the moot now has an independent foreign policy? Kinda- bilateral deals with dwarf kings, after all. So what does that change about it's status as compared to the other provinces?
Well, it means that the next time the electors meet, the halflings will have a gromril blade too and it won't be because the humans gave one to them. So maybe the other electors will step a bit more lightly? Idk.
Ok, on to the omake. And, like, seriously: APPLAUSE
These were all great, and I was so happy to have them all posted close to eachother when I was reading.
Oh wow, I can place the exact before (release drop, thread discussion of release, new plans and updates of previous plans, write-in drop) and after (few negative posters holding the initial floor, the consolidation of arguments, the Hardening of the Divide, the opening of voting, the initial mark to market rush, the losing side escalating rhetorically, the narrow squeaker vote, the salt) of this sequence you posted.
I vibe that thread.
This was wonderful characterization of birth the city and the people, and your Ljiljana was a treat. I am 100% behind you on this head canon.
Poignant- this internal monologue is great for how unreliable a narrator he is, with his seeing all the threats coming and being basically right in his evaluation of the situation, contrasted with the way he comes across in the fight with his son. Because the problem is in what he refuses to consider, so of course the internal monologue is going to minimize all those things.
Well done. It doesn't even matter how accurate his self-impression was to reality, it just needed to be convincing to him, and it shows how bad rulers are utterly unaware of it sometimes.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
Huh thinking about tributaries and what effect they have made me curious about how Vlag has effected the magic with its return. Surely a waystone like that will start to push Chaos Wastes back?
I wonder if Mathilde noticed anything last time she went up there.
I wonder if Mathilde noticed anything last time she went up there.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
At least as described, they had in mind a different set of threats- the last three times that the Moot was sacked, it was Gorebad Ironclaw, Konrad von Carstein, and Grom the Paunch.
They're not alone in that, the provinces that border Dwarfs frequently diplomance with them- for example, Ostermark getting Karak Kadrin to build them a canal or two.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Or a mammoth...
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
The way stones around vlag were all functioning correctly and drawing the magic off, it's just it was being diverted at vlag to fuel the chaos swap- so kislev itself probably doesn't notice much difference. The area directly around high pass, maybe.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
As described, the only input for magic to enter the system was at Dum- which was working- and Vlag, which was missing.
The waypoint-waystones between Karaks don't take in magic, they only transfer it between Karaks.
I know the omake above was meant to make me sympathize with Vladimir, but it actually makes me more glad we killed him if that was what he was thinking as we did so. That is 'Pyre-happy Stirlander peasant' misunderstanding the value and the limitations of magic.
I don't know the Ice Witches not being the ones the bring down the Vampire Tzarina and that Pavel had to be the one to step up to the task is something I could see Vladimir having very good reason to be both upset about and a good reason for him not being trusting of the group who is supposed to protect Kislev and it's people from Evil Magic. I would think the first people to notice something was off about Katerin's magic would have been her fellow Ice Witches after she got turned.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
To echo what others have said, Karag Dum was still absorbing energy and sending it to the Karaz Ankor, but it's still in Chaos Wastes proper. So a single Karak-Waystone seems to make a dent, but it's not capable of pushing back the Wastes. Might slow them, though.
Overall it seems that, unlike the other parts of the network, the Dwarven part seems to do all the absorbing in the actual Karaks, with the intermediate waystones only serving as a way to send power to K-a-K. This makes sense to me, honestly, because dwarves prefer to stay in their homes and minimize the amount of time they need to spend outside of them (which they'd have to do to protect waystones, like humans and elves do all the time). We would need to do the relevant Other Networks action to confirm this, though.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
Assuming she was an Ice Witch. She might not have been.
Why must you hurt me like this.
- Location
- Washington
The fact that her corpse is being kept in a block of ice to prevent her from being resurrected would strongly suggest that she wasn't, even.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Or that being made a vampire cut off her connection to the Land, meaning she was no longer an ice witch after being turned.
Which, yes, I'm sure was obvious to other ice witches. I assume she dealt with all the ones that could have stopped her reign quite early on.
Did he just.. invent Technicals? Only with Cannon instead of machine guns?
How very.. Kislev of him
- Location
- Washington
Honestly kinda it sounds like early on in her reign, people mostly just didn't care. She basically was Kislev's equivalent to "The Vampire Wars," beforehand they don't seem to have much of a negative experience with vampires so it was almost like Van Hal's "hey this dude is a vampire, how strange" reaction to The Vampire Yet To Be Known As Vlad Von Carstein.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
This seems to be the canonical explanation, yeah. The explanation is basically 'they were used to women with magic having political power, they thought it was just a new version of that'.
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- He/His/etc
And even after that wasn't it mostly the nobles who got unhappy about her not aging/dying? From a peasant perspective she was still mostly interchangeable with any other tsar.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
She was also known as 'the Bloody' due to a notable massacre and seemingly a dictator worse than the average Tzar...but yes, she was eventually overthrown pretty much purely for being immortal and thus the boyars not having any ability to advance further.
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
- Location
- Ruritania Illinois
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Tzarinas always have Ice Magic, if you'd like I can cite this once I get done with the updates for To Shield the World and Project Prometheus
(Or at least I hope I can)
Glad to know that Kislev nobility has its priorities straight.
Tyrannical Cannibalistic Necromancer Tzarina: everything is fine.
Immortal Tzarina: we must slay this creature for the Motherland!
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'm not finding any references to that in Realm of the Ice Queen. The first Tzarina was an Ice Witch and magic often runs in families so I'd imagine it'd be common for Tzarinas to be Ice Witches, but I'm not seeing any strict requirement. All the presented Tzarinas other than Kattarin the Bloody are Ice Witches...but that's literally a sample size of two (one of whom does not yet exist in the Quest's timeline).
- Location
- Washington
Do we actually even definitively know that said notable massacre was vampire-related and not because a bunch of people were complaining about taxes or something?
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Randomly remembered that and had a thought. So, if someone just put a bunch of researchers from all these different factions together, they would've grumbled and left, like strands of different Winds forced into proximity. If they collided, the possibly-violent result could be thought of as curdling into Dhar in this analogy. But because Mathilde is skilled at wrangling each of them and making them work together, they can achieve greater results in concert with each other than alone.
She is doing the High Magic of diplomacy