Grey Diplomacy at it's finest: "don't make me come over there", underscored with regular reminders that "yes, actually, we can come over there, and there's nothing you can do to stop us".
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Grey Diplomacy at it's finest: "don't make me come over there", underscored with regular reminders that "yes, actually, we can come over there, and there's nothing you can do to stop us".
- Location
- Somewhere between the stars
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- She/Her
Boris did this because he felt his father wasn't doing sufficently enough to push out Chaos. I think we can surmize that as long as it's not exorbitantly expensive, it's something he's gonna do on his own. He's probaly the most invested head of state in erecting more waystones involved at the moment.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
IIRC, in that comic he did in fact kill them for being Anglo-Saxons. There's a sequence of zombie-Arthur going through soldiers one by one and judging each in turn: "Saxon," "Saxon" "Saxon enough."
Which strikes me as a difference between Baba Niedswenka settling down from her campaign of revenge and a more dhar-poisoned horror doing the same. Baba Niedswenka could eventually come to her senses and stop.
Somic
It's meow or never
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- She/Her
Yeah - the project members we were planning to put on this action still exist and presumably know we want them on this action; the remainder of the turn might be spent on Boris getting the news, getting coronated, purging the Kalashiniviks, etc... hmm, would we need to spend that action on handling the tributary rollout itself next turn? After all, it's been made pretty clear that Waystone Project things only get done with our involvement, because the whole project only exists because each participant agreed to work with us specifically.
Would it do much good if he were in bed sleeping? I mean even if Mockery of Death failed the first time as long as the seal does not have a working alarm function, getting warm say, or literally making a sound or a flash of light, Mathilde could keep casting the spell until it stuck, take the seal and then work on the Matrix in peace.
- Location
- A Pit Of My Own Making
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- He/Him
Woopsie poop.
Bah, there were other King Authers anyway.
One was Steampunk.
- Location
- Oklahoma
Frankly even Ghal Maraz probably shouldn't be EX.
I've not played Grand Order, and I'm aware that there's some power creep involved there, but even Excalibur is 'merely' A++ rank.
EX is the realm of Ea.
Neither the Runefangs nor Ghal Maraz match up to Ea.
Hell, we are not even sure that Vlad wouldn't have gone for the tributaries if we pitched them to him (especially if we had a good strategy to convince him or a particularly good roll).
What we know is that Boris THOUGHT that he wouldn't. It's a fair assumption to think he was right but it's not like we even took the time to talk to Vlad and people tend to have biased opinions of their closed ones, especially if they hold strong disagreements. And the father/son relationship tend to be one of the trickiest human relationship.
Killing Vlad was the most convenient strategy, I think it's very possible it wasn't the only possible one.
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Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
- Location
- Ruritania Illinois
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Changed to A+.
There are unassigned Runefangs?
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- Earth
There's twelve Runefangs, but only eleven current provinces, and I'm pretty sure the Moot doesn't have a Runefang, meaning there's two spare from when (IIRC) Solland and Drakwald went defunct.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Yeah, Beastslayer (which sits in the vaults unless it's been handed out temporarily) and Grudge Settler (which in canon was used by the Reiksmarshall)
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Are you saying you didn't have a millenia-old magic user already pegged as an extreme threat, or that you're just upping your rating to being an even more extreme one?
Blackout
Fed By Comments
- Location
- Who knows?
Mind you, Grudge Settler might not have been found yet unless Boney has said something on the subject.
Canon is unclear as to when exactly the Runefang of Solland was rediscovered, but it was lost for centuries after Gorbad killed Eldred.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
It was handed to an Emperor in Altdorf though, which probably indicates that it should have already happened, as it doesn't name the Emperor as Karl, and I doubt that the Dwarfs who found it would hand it back during the Age of Three Emperors. Probably means it happened sometime between Wilhelm III and Luitpold.
It could technically have happened in the post divergence part of Luitpold's reign where a butterfly could have made those dwarfs die, or not even go on that mission because they had other things to do, like retaking K8P.
Blackout
Fed By Comments
- Location
- Who knows?
The wiki is incorrect, the source it cites (7th edition Empire) says that Stonehammer handed it to the Prince of Altdorf, and that it was kept in the Imperial Treasury. Which does imply that he was the Emperor, but on the other hand it's weird to refer to him by his lesser title.
I certainly agree it is more likely that the Runefang was already retrieved, I just pointed it out that it's technically unclear.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
It could have been a slip, or Boney could have changed his mind afterward, but the post that picklepikkl quoted says "one of the currently unclaimed Runefangs", so we might be able to assume the Solland Runefang has already been returned.
Codex
Fantasy Addict
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- She/Her
I greatly appreciate the forethought you put into your work.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
That or Crow Feeder is currently unclaimed, but that seems unlikely.
(Nordland was not one of the original 12 provinces. The Westerland was. Nordland has the Runefang Crow Feeder. Marienburg does not have a Runefang. At some point, it had to have switched, but I don't know when)
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NexysDhyArchen
Throne Breaker
I, personally, would rate Abelhelm as a Servant in order of Most Likely to Least as:
1.Lancer: He earned his Imperial Title and Witchhunter Rank with an Halberd. Regardless of whether we, the thread, knew about it, Abelhelm's Legend would involve his deeds with it most.
2. Saber: He earned a Runefang for his ceaseless efforts to cleanse the Undead. He died with a Runefang in hand in his ceaseless efforts to cleanse the Undead. Both sides of the same coin.
3. Rider: He made the road dividing one of the hellish forests of Stirland/Sylvania and drove it straight to the heart of the Vampire's Lands to fight them. He inspired and led his Court so that where he Fell, they carried on. He commanded the Dämmerlichtreiter.
4. Archer: He wielded a Rifle and Pistol in battle. He and his family brought rifles and pistols and gunpowder into prominence for Stirlands Armies.
5. Ruler: He is most known as the Hunter Count. But he died on the cusp of victory, with his dreams soured by his duty in the face of failure, unable to witness the victory carried on his name, a Martyr.
I would also be interested in seeing Servant classes for Eike, Panoramia, Anton, Wilhelmia, and the Ducklings.
1.Lancer: He earned his Imperial Title and Witchhunter Rank with an Halberd. Regardless of whether we, the thread, knew about it, Abelhelm's Legend would involve his deeds with it most.
2. Saber: He earned a Runefang for his ceaseless efforts to cleanse the Undead. He died with a Runefang in hand in his ceaseless efforts to cleanse the Undead. Both sides of the same coin.
3. Rider: He made the road dividing one of the hellish forests of Stirland/Sylvania and drove it straight to the heart of the Vampire's Lands to fight them. He inspired and led his Court so that where he Fell, they carried on. He commanded the Dämmerlichtreiter.
4. Archer: He wielded a Rifle and Pistol in battle. He and his family brought rifles and pistols and gunpowder into prominence for Stirlands Armies.
5. Ruler: He is most known as the Hunter Count. But he died on the cusp of victory, with his dreams soured by his duty in the face of failure, unable to witness the victory carried on his name, a Martyr.
I would also be interested in seeing Servant classes for Eike, Panoramia, Anton, Wilhelmia, and the Ducklings.
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Somic
It's meow or never
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- She/Her
...Okay, this arrived in my head out of nowhere and refused to leave, so I'm putting it here.
You look up at the Imperinyi wizard, and a small part of you not busy with self-recrimination is afraid of what you might see on her face. Disgust? Sympathy? Cold calculation?
But she just watches you, as impassive as ever, and for the first time you're glad not to know.
You look up at the Imperinyi wizard, and a small part of you not busy with self-recrimination is afraid of what you might see on her face. Disgust? Sympathy? Cold calculation?
But she just watches you, as impassive as ever, and for the first time you're glad not to know.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Ah, a fair point. That said, if the prince of Altdorf wasn't the Emperor, that implies an earlier timeline.
Fair enough.
Which were the original 12 provinces is not clear. There's at least one version of canon where Westerland was conquered by Sigismund, in the 500s IC.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Well, depending on source.
Sigmar's Heirs lists them outright.
For the purposes of this quest, Boney already said that the Jutones lost to the Endals then returned to conquer the Was-Jutones under the Teutogens, so I think we're in the version where the Endals established the Westerland and were one of the 12 Founding Provinces.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Yeah it's hard to get hold of a library copy these days, my library has to borrow from somewhere in Michigan iirc