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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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It is of course at this point the terrible truth shall be revealed... :V

Vladimir is actually Vlad. Yes. That Vlad. He's just been on vacation, in various guises, this whole time and we're about to ruin it.

Source: It came to me in a dream.
 
Leolu said:
It is of course at this point the terrible truth shall be revealed... :V

Vladimir is actually Vlad. Yes. That Vlad. He's just been on vacation, in various guises, this whole time and we're about to ruin it.

Source: It came to me in a dream.
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He needed centuries of ice cold vodka and kvass to wash the taste of Frederick Van Hal's hot ale from his palate.
 
Parabola said:
I was pushing to put the Coin on the Liminal Realm action; I'm way more worried on that front.
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Pokemon catching did have a lot more potential places to apply luck, though. Fighting, catching, binding, whether we can make the spell, and the difficulty of the resulting spell.

Liminal realms is likely to be one roll, and we've seen that a catastrophically bad one doesn't mean "sucked into the Warp".
 
Getting talked at by a demon again is gonna look real bad, though.

"So you received an invitation to Chaos from a Greater Demon. A few months later, you bound a warp entity to your soul, murdered the Tzar of Kislev, then reported back to that same demon using the same ritual?"
 
Leolu said:
Vladimir is actually Vlad. Yes. That Vlad. He's just been on vacation, in various guises, this whole time and we're about to ruin it.
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Pedantry: the diminutive form of Vladimir isn't Vlad, it's Vova (or Volodya). Vlad is the diminutive of Vladislav, a different name entirely; naturally, with Games Workshops' classic attention to detail and historical accuracy, Vlad von Carstein's full Sylvanian name is undoubtedly Vladislav, right?



son of a bitch
 
picklepikkl said:
Pedantry: the diminutive form of Vladimir isn't Vlad, it's Vova (or Volodya). Vlad is the diminutive of Vladislav, a different name entirely; naturally, with Games Workshops' classic attention to detail and historical accuracy, Vlad von Carstein's full Sylvanian name is undoubtedly Vladislav, right?



son of a bitch
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That one is just the wiki, actually, it cites the back of 7th edition Vampire Counts where he's listed as Vlad.

Now, in Night's Dark Masters he called himself Prince Vladimir when he was with Vanhel.

But he's either "Prince Vladimir" or "Vlad von Carstein", I've never seen "Vladimir von Carstein".

(Also, my congrats for finding the opportunity to share the 'Vladimir is not Vlad' tidbit, I was considering throwing it around earlier but didn't see a reason to bother- unlike here, where it is self-evidently necessary)
 
picklepikkl said:
Pedantry: the diminutive form of Vladimir isn't Vlad, it's Vova (or Volodya). Vlad is the diminutive of Vladislav, a different name entirely; naturally, with Games Workshops' classic attention to detail and historical accuracy, Vlad von Carstein's full Sylvanian name is undoubtedly Vladislav, right?



son of a bitch
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I'm squeeing in glee that someone (multiple someones!) know this factoid, but also, this returned an earworm to my head...

Vladislav, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more :V
 
Mopman43 said:
It'd either be really good or really bad if something from killing Vladimir leads to an update on our statsheet or whatever.
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Traits:
Hunted by Kislev: You have a standing bounty in the northern Tzardom of Kislev for your botched assassination attempt of the monarch (-1 Diplomacy, expect periodic attempts at collecting the bounty)
 
picklepikkl said:
Pedantry: the diminutive form of Vladimir isn't Vlad, it's Vova (or Volodya). Vlad is the diminutive of Vladislav, a different name entirely; naturally, with Games Workshops' classic attention to detail and historical accuracy, Vlad von Carstein's full Sylvanian name is undoubtedly Vladislav, right?



son of a bitch
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Vashanesh first started calling himself 'Prince Vladimir' four hundred years before the Gospodars arrived and founded Kislev, so I don't know whose grammatical rules he should be following.
 
Boney said:
Vashanesh first started calling himself 'Prince Vladimir' four hundred years before the Gospodars arrived and founded Kislev, so I don't know whose grammatical rules he should be following.
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I mean, Vladimir and Vladislav are Romanian names too, which in quest canon at least has been used for Sylvanian (Codrin Petrescu), so... presumably theirs?

Though it appears from Wikipedia that Vashanesh's real-world inspiration, Vlad the Impaler/Dracula, and his father Vlad Dracul, have names that are... not short for anything, it's just Vlad. Hunh, TIL.
 
picklepikkl said:
I mean, Vladimir and Vladislav are Romanian names too, which in quest canon at least has been used for Sylvanian (Codrin Petrescu), so... presumably theirs?

Though it appears from Wikipedia that Vashanesh's real-world inspiration, Vlad the Impaler/Dracula, and his father Vlad Dracul, have names that are... not short for anything, it's just Vlad. Hunh, TIL.
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The cultural background of Sylvania and how and when it diverged from the rest of the Imperial Tribes is a really interesting question. One possibility is that they're not an Imperial Tribe at all, possibly being more distantly related in the same way that the Lodringeni were, and they either predate the arrival of the Imperial Tribes and were pushed into Sylvania by them or postdate it and settled in Sylvania as it was the only land that was left, making them distinct from the start. Another is that they diverged from the influx of refugees from the fall of Strygos, or from the period of post-Vanhel, pre-von Carstein pseudo-independence, which later become full recognize independence in the aftermath of the Night of Restless Dead under the Von Draks. And then there's the boring answer, that it came about under the Von Carsteins.

For the first half of those possibilities, Sylvania already being culturally distinct and therefore fantasy-Romanian would mean that it would be possible that Vashanesh just took on a local name when he called himself Prince Vladimir.
 
Boney said:
The cultural background of Sylvania and how and when it diverged from the rest of the Imperial Tribes is a really interesting question. One possibility is that they're not an Imperial Tribe at all, possibly being more distantly related in the same way that the Lodringeni were, and they either predate the arrival of the Imperial Tribes and were pushed into Sylvania by them or postdate it and settled in Sylvania as it was the only land that was left, making them distinct from the start. Another is that they diverged from the influx of refugees from the fall of Strygos, or from the period of post-Vanhel, pre-von Carstein pseudo-independence, which later become full recognize independence in the aftermath of the Night of Restless Dead under the Von Draks. And then there's the boring answer, that it came about under the Von Carsteins.

For the first half of those possibilities, Sylvania already being culturally distinct and therefore fantasy-Romanian would mean that it would be possible that Vashanesh just took on a local name when he called himself Prince Vladimir.
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Another approach is to try to copy-paste IRL history, but then you run into the very significant problem that there's no Romans to have Romanized a Paleo-Balkan population. But there are theories that the Getae, one of those Paleo-Balkan peoples that lived on the lower Danube, are descended from the IRL Scythians, which raises the intriguing possibility that the Sylvanians are descendants of settled Warhammer Scythians. The Scythians did leave burial mounds dotted throughout the eastern Empire as far south as Sylvania, after all - that's where a lot of the Wight Kings come from. They might also be remnants of a Nehekharan colony - Vlad first visited the place that would become Sylvania as a soldier in the Legions of Setep when they claimed the region.

Or, of course, they could be a cultural melange of some or all of the above.

(on an only tangentially related note, that there's no fantasy Roman Empire in the background of the setting is extremely rare for European fantasy, and I think it's a big part of what makes Warhammer distinct)

StormySky said:
Who are those again? I couldn't find a single mention on the wiki.
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They're the people who founded Strygos in the Badlands after their Shaman found the body of Alcadizaar with Nagash's Crown of Sorcery there.
 
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StormySky said:
Who are those again? I couldn't find a single mention on the wiki.
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They were a human tribe indigenous to the Badlands and the ancestors of the modern Strigany people. A shaman of theirs by the name of Kadon became possessed by the Crown of Sorcery after finding it on Alcadizaar's corpse, and then became a mad despot and forced them to build the city of Mourkain, which he then ruled with increasing cruelty while recreating the Books of Nagash until Ushoran and his vampire bloodline usurped him.
 
Boney said:
on an only tangentially related note, that there's no fantasy Roman Empire in the background of the setting is extremely rare for European fantasy, and I think it's a big part of what makes Warhammer distinct)
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It's possible that the old ones or the elves had some Roman aesthetic back in the day. They generally fulfill the fantasy Roman empire's purpose of being a once great power that ruled everywhere that has fallen.
 
Boney said:
Another approach is to try to copy-paste IRL history, but then you run into the very significant problem that there's no Romans to have Romanized a Paleo-Balkan population. But there are theories that the Getae, one of those Paleo-Balkan peoples that lived on the lower Danube, are descended from the IRL Scythians, which raises the intriguing possibility that the Sylvanians are descendants of settled Warhammer Scythians. The Scythians did leave burial mounds dotted throughout the eastern Empire as far south as Sylvania, after all - that's where a lot of the Wight Kings come from. They might also be remnants of a Nehekharan colony - Vlad first visited the place that would become Sylvania as a soldier in the Legions of Setep when they claimed the region.

Or, of course, they could be a cultural melange of some or all of the above.

(on an only tangentially related note, that there's no fantasy Roman Empire in the background of the setting is extremely rare for European fantasy, and I think it's a big part of what makes Warhammer distinct)



They're the people who founded Strygos in the Badlands after their Shaman found the body of Alcadizaar with Nagash's Crown of Sorcery there.
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Didn't Myrmidia's incarnation make a big southern empire? maybe they were a part of that?
 
I don't know a ton about the settings history, is the Reman Empire not even a decent Rome knockoff? That's hilarious.
 
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