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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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fictionfan said:
It's possible that the old ones or the elves had some Roman aesthetic back in the day. They generally fulfill the fantasy Roman empire's purpose of being a once great power that ruled everywhere that has fallen.
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True, but the cutural cachet of the Romans as a continent-spanning power that most or all of the modern peoples and a shitload of their institutions can claim descent from is missing. There's been no Interpretatio Romana, no romanice loqui leaving a common root in all the languages of the continent, no common cultural ancestor that you can trace the titles of the Princes of Tilea, the Emperors of the Empire, and the Tzars of Kislev to. There's no post-Marian Legions to point to as an ur-example of the power of a professional military. All these cultural bones and touchstones of western European history just aren't there in the Old World.

AsuraAtlas said:
I don't know a ton about the settings history, is the Reman Empire not even a decent Rome knockoff? That's hilarious.
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I'd argue that it's a lot more Greek than Roman, and it may not have actually happened at all.
 
Myrmidia unified the Southern Kingdoms and her worship reached as far as Altdorf, that's canon

(I mean obviously Boney may be ignoring it and the relevant sources but that's the best we got)
 
The Reman Empire is a bit of an odd duck because it theoretically existed and unified the various southern nations... but also it lasted for less than a generation, having been formed entirely by one woman who was then assassinated at her coronation, splintering apart again on her death.

So its legacy ends up being almost entirely religious, contained in the worship of Myrmidia, with relatively little legal, social or architectural impact on the world.
 
Boney said:
True, but the cutural cachet of the Romans as a continent-spanning power that most or all of the modern peoples and a shitload of their institutions can claim descent from is missing. There's been no Interpretatio Romana, no romanice loqui leaving a common root in all the languages of the continent, no common cultural ancestor that you can trace the titles of the Princes of Tilea, the Emperors of the Empire, and the Tzars of Kislev to. There's no post-Marian Legions to point to as an ur-example of the power of a professional military. All these cultural bones and touchstones of western European history just aren't there in the Old World.
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The difference is the Roman empire mostly fell from internal forces and falling apart. Yes there were barbarians at the gate but most stories of Rome basically have them as an afterthought. And in many cases the barbarians became somewhat Roman even as they invaded.

In the case of the elves and olds ones the invading forces were not nearly so kind and destroyed basically everything including culture.
 
dinomannitro6 said:
Didn't Myrmidia's incarnation make a big southern empire? maybe they were a part of that?
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Strygos had already risen and fallen before the time of Sigmar's birth, and Myrmidia is recorded to have lived her mortal incarnation during the time of 20-60 IC. Not to mention, I found this map showcasing the domains of the Reman Empire, and uh...

The story of Sigmar's reign seems to omit the part where the Merogen, Menogoths and Asoborn joined up with an entirely different Empire. Because unless I'm entirely mistaken, the red bits cover Wissenland, Solland and Averland past the Black Mountains.
 
picklepikkl said:
Pedantry: the diminutive form of Vladimir isn't Vlad, it's Vova (or Volodya). Vlad is the diminutive of Vladislav, a different name entirely; naturally, with Games Workshops' classic attention to detail and historical accuracy, Vlad von Carstein's full Sylvanian name is undoubtedly Vladislav, right?



son of a bitch
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Eeeh, considering Vashanesh is hailing from fantasy Egypt, I honestly don't think he knew or cared.

But also.

So, okay. Vlad is obviously a nod towards a very popular Vlad from our world. The thing is, Vlad Tepes is his full name, in this case Vlad isn't a diminutive of anything, either Vladislav or Vladimir. Yeah, it's rare, but language police allows you to use diminutives as full names if you pay language taxes, also known as "I'm gonna do that and nobody's gonna stop me". English is very familiar with the concept, I've heard.

Further down this rabbit hole, Sylvania, which is, ugh, of course, inspired by Transylvania, is populated by people who have settled the forest long before any Gospodar had any thoughts of migrating west and bear little to no cultural relation to them… which is not inaccurate to real life, actually, since Carpathia is populated by people ethnically and culturally distinct from the neighboring Slavic nationalities.

The problem is, Vlad was the ruler of Wallachia, the central part of modern Romania, which had a bit more contact with the neighboring Slavic polities, hence some of their rulers being called Vlads and Vladislavs, which is a Serbian name, btw. Transylvania as the homeland of Dracula was popularized by Stoker.

So if we take all this at face value and truncate the nonsense to manageable levels, Sylvania is fantasy Romania, and Vladimir is, somehow, a Sylvanian name that Gospodar may or may not have borrowed some time later after arriving. Considering their language is a mishmash of all Slavic languages in existence, that's not the most unbelievable part of it by far.
 
AsuraAtlas said:
OH MY GOD. VAN HAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE VAN HELLSING. HOW DID I NOT REALIZE THIS.
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Well, the original Van Helsing is an eccentric doctor who makes weird analogies and rambles on like your average grandfather does. Perhaps you're thinking of him, and didn't associate him with the pop-culture image of a grizzled vampire slayer?
 
I know it's isn't the same, but it reminds me of Hellsing Abridged and puts the words:

Big Sword Grey Magister
In my mind with Alucard abridged voice...

(I tried make work with jurneywoman to make it fit timeline wise but doesn't sound as good)...
 
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Raiseth said:
Eeeh, considering Vashanesh is hailing from fantasy Egypt, I honestly don't think he knew or cared.

But also.

So, okay. Vlad is obviously a nod towards a very popular Vlad from our world. The thing is, Vlad Tepes is his full name, in this case Vlad isn't a diminutive of anything, either Vladislav or Vladimir. Yeah, it's rare, but language police allows you to use diminutives as full names if you pay language taxes, also known as "I'm gonna do that and nobody's gonna stop me". English is very familiar with the concept, I've heard.

Further down this rabbit hole, Sylvania, which is, ugh, of course, inspired by Transylvania, is populated by people who have settled the forest long before any Gospodar had any thoughts of migrating west and bear little to no cultural relation to them… which is not inaccurate to real life, actually, since Carpathia is populated by people ethnically and culturally distinct from the neighboring Slavic nationalities.

The problem is, Vlad was the ruler of Wallachia, the central part of modern Romania, which had a bit more contact with the neighboring Slavic polities, hence some of their rulers being called Vlads and Vladislavs, which is a Serbian name, btw. Transylvania as the homeland of Dracula was popularized by Stoker.

So if we take all this at face value and truncate the nonsense to manageable levels, Sylvania is fantasy Romania, and Vladimir is, somehow, a Sylvanian name that Gospodar may or may not have borrowed some time later after arriving. Considering their language is a mishmash of all Slavic languages in existence, that's not the most unbelievable part of it by far.
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Small correction here Wallachia was the southern part of the three Romanian Medieval principalities. It went East Moldavia, South Wallachia and West Transylvania. That is because the Carpathians bend though the area so the arc splits first east west then north south like so:


As for Slavs... everyone got in contact with them. 15% of the Romanian Vocabulary is slavic and crucially many of the titles of rule are like 'Voievod'... the thing Vlad Tepes was. That is because for a long while there all this area was under slavic rule. Transpose that over to Warhammer and Sylvania and you have Scythian rule over Sylvania.
 
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His sleepings habits are shit but they could be worse.
Almost no one ever visits his room at night.
Somehow the shadow knife rebound inside his body to hit every vital organ there is...

Am I right?
 
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Nurgle said:
So Boney drops some cryptic rolls right before I sleep. Why is there a roll for knife.
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Trajectory within the chest. Boney mentioned there was a possibility it would go flying out. So this probably means the trajectory was fine and it just stabbed his entire heart or something in way that isn't outwardly obvious.
 
DragonParadox said:
Small correction here Wallachia was the southern part of the three Romanian Medieval principalities. It went East Moldavia, South Wallachia and West Transylvania. That is because the Carpathians bend though the area so the arc splits first east west then north south like so:


As for Slavs... everyone got in contact with them. 15% of the Romanian Vocabulary is slavic and crucially many of the titles of rule are like 'Voievod'... the thing Vlad Tetes was. That is because for a long while there all this area was under slavic rule. Transpose that over to Warhammer and Sylvania and you have Scythian rule over Sylvania.
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I'm not sure what the correction is, but thanks for providing additional information?
 
I mean, if worse comes to worst, Mathilde could hit him with a Sleep before Mockery of Death. Huh, does a conscious subject under MoD hit with Sleep afterwards stay unconscious until MoD is lifted?
 
Raiseth said:
Central as in cultural, political, demographic and industrial center of modern Romania.
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Oh yeah, that makes sense certainly. I am just not used to thinking of the principalities like that since that centrality of the south in political and economic terms for the most part post-dates unification. Back when Vlad Tepes was around everyone was on an equal footing of getting kicked around by local powers, mostly though not always the Turks.
 
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