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Causes a self sustaining problem the vented wind would repeal other winds and keep being reabsorbed.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Now I'm just imagining the solution being to hire someone to basically do the job of Stanley from the Stanley Parable: An incredibly bored operator whose sole job is to wait until at least two of the 8 wind threshold lights turn on, and then press the corresponding send buttons.
It's a terrible solution, but amusing to imagine.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
It's a shame we can't skip the tech tree, because then we could have Mathilde invent rubber ducks. Then she could place one next to her notes and explain to it how she's doing the enchantment, and then suddenly she'd be able to tell what the mistake she's making is.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
One for every heart Mathilde broke.
I have been holding a grudge against him for 14314 pages.
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MiracleGrow
Miracles for only $19.99 [They/Them]
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Well there isn't a god of them, but spherical Cows technically exist 👍
Its a weird birth defect, look it up cause I ain't posting it here lol.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Really? What happened on page 181 that gave you a grudge against Ranald?
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Hold a grudge long enough and it bleeds through your past and into eternity.
*silently adds "definitely made me hit the wrong button" to his list of Grudges against Ranald*
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- Leeds
The Tzar's bed was busy but not that busy.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Random thought, how do you think this all went in the negaverse Kislev quest? Like assuming the players are controlling Boris this must have been a bit of a shot in the dark.
Then imagine the thread's reaction to how seemingly easily Mathilde did it and the sudden paranoia that causes.
Then imagine the thread's reaction to how seemingly easily Mathilde did it and the sudden paranoia that causes.
Somic
It's meow or never
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- She/Her
I can hear Boney sarcastically commenting that they hired a Grey Lady Magister, what did they expect? Sadly, I'm not eloquent enough to put it into Boney-voice.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
I like to think they haven't gotten the result yet, still in the midst of the turn, and then the next turn begins with the drop that the Tsar is dead. That way, they have the assassination hanging over their heads for the maximum amount of time, just like it would be with Boris.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Probably a result on them picking the "Get your father assassinated" action and then getting a really good roll on it.
You know, like how Mathilde got the help to make the Eye of Gazul as powerful as it is.
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- He/Him
Hilariously, I think the thread would be fine with it. They're clearly very Anti-Chaos and concerned about the Everchosen so they, the thread, are probably pretty understanding of other hardcore anti-Chaos forces and not inclined to waste worry on them.
Now, if they find out about her being a close associate of Egrimm, then their paranoia would go into overdrive given his canonical role as a Champion of Tzeentch, but I don't think the thread could've known that in advance or they wouldn't have asked her in the first place.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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- Melbourne, Australia
Putting it out there - there's no guarantee we're getting any favour or other reward from Boris beyond 'Kislev is now focused on preparing for the next Everchosen'. Boris didn't offer any reward and the narrative presents the entire act as something Mathilde thinks of as necessary for her general goals, not a job or faovur she's doing for someone else.
Somic
It's meow or never
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- She/Her
The Eye of Gazul was a result of getting specific contributors to the project and rolling boxcars on their contributions. I think the question of who the protagonist recruits/asks for help is just as likely to be a deliberate choice. Like
[] You cannot rely on time and fate anymore. Hire someone to assassinate the Tzar.
-[] Choose who.
I imagine Kislev quest is something like but unlike Divided Loyalties where instead of playing the advisor the players choose to play one of the children of a king or ruler and they went for Kislev, heir because they wanted to improve Boris, make him a better reformer, a better leader so he can deal with the trials and tribulations of his realm.
At first it was all going swimmingly. They have the loyalty of all the magical institutions, we all know how much SV likes magic after all, Boris has his own elite unit, they even have a candidate for queen lined up.
Then the players try using all those magical contacts to solve the long term magical problem of Kislev, too much Za, or at least try to mitigate it. No dice, if the native magicians could have solved it they would have already.
Royal Favor (RF) which is the resource they use to get the Tsar to do things is hard to get and since the Tsar is not a very forethoughtful man the way they can get it is by actions they consider foolish, dangerous or counterproductive. But the thread soldiers on, ever more resentful of Vladimir until the big moment comes, the Waystone project. Because of how the system works they have to commit all their RF before the meeting with Mathilde, have their resources arrayed to host the project... and then the roll just fails, to reflect how Kislev was the runner up.
The thread asks the GM: Can we still contribute?
Turns out they can, but they have no control over it there is no guarantee what comes out of the mystery box and they are all out of recources, gold RF you name it the thread does not have it. There is a narrow and contentious vote not to just offer up more help to Mathilde. After which Mathilde shows up and helps defeat an army of fey 'because the good of Kislev is also the good of the Empire'
There is a brief but intense shipping war between the Ice Witch and Mathilde proponents before the GM finally tells the thread that Mathilde is in a relationship.
Meanwhile signs that the Everchosen is coming are creeping in... and then then stop creeping and start walking upright in the light of day... and then they are running at the thread like a freighttrain made out of Daemon Armor and pain. The action to get the Tsar to see the danger fails, crit fails in fact. The Tsar is now invested in the notion that Chaos is not coming and Boris is just being paranoid. All this mind in the context of social interactions with the Tsar going great, he is a likable fellow in a Robert Baratheon kind of way and he has many suporters in the thread who argue that Boris should be a good son to his father and deal with the looming darkness in the ways of his ancestors.
Into this powderkeg news from the Ice Court passed on from Zlata comes in, the Project has the sollution, all Kislev needs to do is implement it....
Another Nat 1 Happens .
For the first time Boris and his father have an ugly fight, the prince accuses his father of failing his land and his people.
"When you will be Tsar you can do as you please."
By now the scales in the thread are tilted in favor of civil war and usurpation, as bad as that would be, doing nothing is worse. Then someone remembers the other thing Grey Wizards are known for. When Mathilde shows up to offer Kislev the tributaries in person Boris has an offer for her.
*after the results*
Anti-Vlad voters cheering, remaining bitter pro-Vlad posters worrying about divine retribution for the act of patricide and more practically what is the assassin going to write on her blank check.
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Somic
It's meow or never
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- She/Her
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- Canada
Egrimm is just such an absolute gift that keeps on giving (specifically: giving paranoia, to the thread).
He even manages to infect the negaverses with fear and suspicion. What a legend!
neutronium95
Mad Rocketeer
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- The test site
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- She/Her
I feel like Kislev quest would have been playing as Vladimir.
They try to do their best, despite massive deficiencies in the character. They got an incredible heir, but Vladimir is only good at hunting and fighting, not ruling.
Eventually they get an interlude of Mathilde assassinating Vladimir, and the next turn starts with them in control of Boris. They've finally gotten a competent player character, but at what cost?
They try to do their best, despite massive deficiencies in the character. They got an incredible heir, but Vladimir is only good at hunting and fighting, not ruling.
Eventually they get an interlude of Mathilde assassinating Vladimir, and the next turn starts with them in control of Boris. They've finally gotten a competent player character, but at what cost?
I feel like if SV was playing Vlad they would have first tried to improve him with personal actions and then, if that failed enough times, just abdicated, it's not like the players would lose anything in the transfer.
I really dislike posts like these, because they start romanticizing the tragedy of the death of an 'innocent', as if a negligent warlord king of a feudal society bordered by a bunch of tribal warriors literally empowered by corrupted hell gods did no wrong by sitting on his butt and pulling a Bobby B for decades while thousands of his citizens lost their literal souls every year to Taint in Praag, or to Norscan raids, or to Chaotic cults, or to Skaven raids and experiments in Hell Pit, etc., etc.
There's even levels to this type of willful ignorance, because it ignores the foundational sins of feudalism *and* those of Warhammer to craft some type of narrative where a negligent king who didn't hand over the reigns to his more competent son is a saint because he didn't personally kill orphans on his front lawn like his vampire mother.
Vladimir Bokha was a Tzar- a king. And by the very definition of that word, he's a warlord who uses the power of 'I have the biggest stick around' to gather tithes and tributes from pettier warlords in order to drive off external invaders. Vladimir Bokha was an incompetent tinpot dictator who sat on an iron throne of swords and blood forged by his mass murdering mother... and who did nothing but sit on that throne, while his subjects wallowed in abject poverty and Chaotic Taint, and storms gathered on the horizon.
But it's important to note- even were Vladimir competent, wielding the power of a tyrant makes you a tyrant.
Because there is no ethical way to conscript people to work and die for the State. But if you don't, and not doing so gets everybody killed?
Welcome to the Feudal Trolley Experiment, where the winning move is to not be king. After all:
The quotes are included because they're a very Eastern European mindset that Kislev was narratively set up to echo- that of
In other words, and to make a long ramble shorter, Vlad wasn't a good guy because he did nothing but let his subjects die. His son is a better guy, but he won't be a good guy either, because he'll force his subjects to do things, and that'll get them killed in great quantities and horrific ways, but probably in less quantities and less bad ways than if he did nothing, in the long run. Don't be a warlord, kids!
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Misery and Misfortune are already Morr and Ranald's stand-ins in Kislev.
Somic
It's meow or never
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- She/Her
Didn't the quest just establish that Vladimir not making the Boyars do things was what led to this situation? Whatever point you might've had in a vacuum was entirely lost in the context where Boris is making the best choices he can possibly make in the situation he's actually in.
You wanna reform an entire state, do it somewhere that isn't next to Chaos Wastes and sometime that isn't a few decades at most before the next Chaos War. And you better not hope it'll be bloodless, either.
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- Leeds
God this place sucks. I'm so glad we turned down that high priest job.
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BeepSmile's Brain: "And I took offence to that".
Something made of wind reactive materials that move in the presence of a given wind to act as mechanical switches that move/activate diffent patterns of material 'channels' [dwarf rune effect] that allow for the flow of a particular [group of winds] to be deposited around a blob of dhar.
When the [current set of winds] becomes a [different set of winds] by dint of one running out or another entering the start of the system, the wind reactive switches tell the device to release the current packet of winds + dhar, and change to a different 'channel' pattern around a new dhar packet.
[also releases a given packet when it had a certain amount of winds added to it to prevent then getting too big]
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Srry if you were hinting that you'd activly prefer to not have people throw about ideas on this, this sort of thing is fun for me, like with the old Lens Tower idea, and with linking it to a Cartography/Observation room via mirrors and tubes.
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Edit: I don't know if this counts as 'logic gates' but I was envisioning a set of 247 seperate channel arrangments/patterns defaulting to 'off' except for one channel pattern for [current set of winds] that would be turned to 'on'
Something that would be horribly laborious to construct.
Boney "isn't a challenge for the thread"
BeepSmile's Brain: "And I took offence to that".
Something made of wind reactive materials that move in the presence of a given wind to act as mechanical switches that move/activate diffent patterns of material 'channels' [dwarf rune effect] that allow for the flow of a particular [group of winds] to be deposited around a blob of dhar.
When the [current set of winds] becomes a [different set of winds] by dint of one running out or another entering the start of the system, the wind reactive switches tell the device to release the current packet of winds + dhar, and change to a different 'channel' pattern around a new dhar packet.
[also releases a given packet when it had a certain amount of winds added to it to prevent then getting too big]
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Srry if you were hinting that you'd activly prefer to not have people throw about ideas on this, this sort of thing is fun for me, like with the old Lens Tower idea, and with linking it to a Cartography/Observation room via mirrors and tubes.
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Edit: I don't know if this counts as 'logic gates' but I was envisioning a set of 247 seperate channel arrangments/patterns defaulting to 'off' except for one channel pattern for [current set of winds] that would be turned to 'on'
Something that would be horribly laborious to construct.
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